Nobody cares....
-
Competitor rules
Please remember that any mention of competitors, hinting at competitors or offering to provide details of competitors will result in an account suspension. The full rules can be found under the 'Terms and Rules' link in the bottom right corner of your screen. Just don't mention competitors in any way, shape or form and you'll be OK.
AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***
- Thread starter Jamin280672
- Start date
Nobody cares....
You got £400 for a 6700K? i'm impressed.
Anyway, yes you're right, i think the point others are trying to make is with lesser GPU's a 2700X is just as good, in fact you can save a bunch of money vs the 9900K, £300, and get the 2600X and if your budget would only stretch to a 1070TI... well now you can have a 2080, how about that?
Yes if you're spending £1200 on a 2080TI then of course £500 for a 9900K is nothing much to you, in fact you will need it, but for most others a Ryzen CPU opens more GPU doors than it would going Intel, and lets be honest at that level the GPU matters more.
@easyrider most of the interesting discussion is around what you would do with a set budget, and most people have a budget. In this case the posts you dismiss as butthurt, joke, boring, etc, are actually bang on.
If you have a liberal budget there is no discussion as it's a very obvious intel/nvidia combo that you should end up with.
The two are totally separate.
If you have a liberal budget there is no discussion as it's a very obvious intel/nvidia combo that you should end up with.
The two are totally separate.
Not disputing any of that...but anyone who has £750 for a gpu doesn’t usually buy a £150 chip....
Associate
- Joined
- 23 Feb 2009
- Posts
- 2,398
- Location
- Bournemouth
Well i feel gutted that i got a 2700x but this was way back when the i9 9900k wasn't even released.
Overclocking the i9 9900k at 5ghz and over is well yeah better, so if i was gonna buy a new pc i would pick the i9 9900k.
But if your not gonna overclock then the 2700x is the winner @ 4k.
either way amd will support am4 until 2020 so hopefully zen 2 will change that
Overclocking the i9 9900k at 5ghz and over is well yeah better, so if i was gonna buy a new pc i would pick the i9 9900k.
But if your not gonna overclock then the 2700x is the winner @ 4k.
either way amd will support am4 until 2020 so hopefully zen 2 will change that
Last edited:
Do you think someone spending £150 on a CPU can normally afford to spend £450 on a GPU?
I actually had the GPU with the 4690K but as you now know it bottlenecked the crap out of it, the 1600 is a perfect match for it and normally someone spending around £200 on a CPU is looking at a GTX 1060 at best.
For 1080p and a cheap gpu...it’s intel mate...
Maybe, maybe not. That's too vague to go on.
Plenty of benchies showing high clock speed at 1080p on the intel chips provide better performance.
Anyhow enough of the squabbling, I’ve been around long enough and have probably had more AMD chips than most...
The 2700x is a great chip and I’m hoping Ryzen 3000 destroys my 9900k...I can then get one of them
Dude, everyone know a high clocked Intel is best for frame rates, even the AMD fanboys. It's not information, everyone knows. That's why it's tedious to read over and over. It just doesn't always make sense if you introduce a budget. Or upgrade path. Or <insert thing that isn't gaming performance>.
A classic example of exactly what i'm talking about right here.....
https://youtu.be/4RMbYe4X2LI?t=340
Associate
- Joined
- 23 Feb 2009
- Posts
- 2,398
- Location
- Bournemouth
Bang on, yeah.
It was a no brainer because the 1600 is smoother with higher fps over the 7600k, even when the 7600k was at 5ghz overclock the ryzen 1600 at stock clock would demolish it.
Back then ryzen 1600 over the 7600k even if you plan to overclock the 7600k.
AMD Will Be Launching The Ryzen 3000 Series CPUs, APUs And A Radeon GPU At CES
https://wccftech.com/amd-launching-ryzen-3000-series-cpus-apus-radeon-gpu-ces/
https://wccftech.com/amd-launching-ryzen-3000-series-cpus-apus-radeon-gpu-ces/
Associate
- Joined
- 23 Feb 2009
- Posts
- 2,398
- Location
- Bournemouth
I see that there is a Zen 3 (4000) coming out on am4 I think.
Think I will upgrade to that instead of Zen 2.
Why would APUs and mobility parts be on a Zen+ core? Why Vega graphics when Navi is due? APUs don't land until well after the full-fat CPUs, so I'd be more inclined to think we'll see Zen 2 APUs with Navi graphics announced the same time as Navi itself.
And unless AMD have found a way to cut down an Instinct for consumer use and keep it at a sensible price, I don't see this "Radeon consumer GPU" being based on Vega 20, unless this is another stop-gap product until Navi like the RX 590.
We'll find out in a couple of weeks.
And unless AMD have found a way to cut down an Instinct for consumer use and keep it at a sensible price, I don't see this "Radeon consumer GPU" being based on Vega 20, unless this is another stop-gap product until Navi like the RX 590.
We'll find out in a couple of weeks.
Because:
Zen+ on 12nm was launched in April 2018, so it is about time for the Zen+ APUs.
Because Navi is not ready for all products. Navi Radeon graphics cards first and then Zen 2 with Navi APUs to follow at the earliest in the end of 2019.
No, see above.
Sorry mate, that statement is way too broad to be accurate. There are quite a few instances of the reverse in gaming where even a high OC Intel loses to a Ryzen of equivalent market position or core count depending on scenario. If you are talking esports games, then most are indeed reliant on IPC and Frequency on a single or dual core situation and will definitely run better on Intel. The argument against hits when at 1440p or higher as the bottleneck normally shifts to the GPU at that point making the 1-2 FPS difference from CPU mostly irrelevant. Then in esports there's also the latency discussion which can often mean older DDR3 based rigs can be better in CS:GO for instance reducing latency by a few ms over current gen rigs.
So no it's not clear cut Intel wins in everything. There's a definite bias towards Intel being better in the majority of scenario's currently though as there's a shift towards more cores being used you'll see that balance shift towards AMD in the short term at least.
Keep the salt handy for this leak. I would expect announcement or even paper launch but not physical launch. Especially with holiday season PC's just having sold by the bucket load. At earliest end of Feb would be my guess from a business standpoint, though historically it would be end of March, start of April for the launch window for the consumer processors.