AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[Martini1991]

If AMD can offer me a 5ghz capable CPU with 10% more performance per core per clock then I'm game for a day one buy.

If they can offer me that by march I'd be buzzing

 

[LePhuronn]

Zen+ on 12nm was launched in April 2018, so it is about time for the Zen+ APUs.

So the Ryzen 3 2200G and and Ryzen 5 2400G are figments of our collective imagination then?

Because Navi is not ready for all products. Navi Radeon graphics cards first and then Zen 2 with Navi APUs to follow at the earliest in the end of 2019.

Which is exactly what I said. We've had Zen+ + Vega APUs since April, why would AMD bother with new APUs still based on Zen+ when Zen 2 is here? Actual Ryzen 3000 CPUs won't be available until April (likely), APUs could be held back a few months to coincide with Navi's launch.

 

[4K8KW10]

So the Ryzen 3 2200G and and Ryzen 5 2400G are figments of our collective imagination then?

Nope, it is just your personal imagination. These are 14nm APUs https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-2200g

 

[LePhuronn]

Nope, it is just your personal imagination. These are 14nm APUs https://www.amd.com/en/products/apu/amd-ryzen-3-2200g

Well blow me down, I thought they were 12nm. Fair enough!

 

[B12B6]

Dont wait for release of Ryzen 3000 series on desktop at CES. There is no point for AMD maiking big waves for it because they already have product on market the 2000 series and it seems to be selling extremely well. Maeby some info will be told but I think they will only release info very close to the date you can buy Zen2 from shop. If there is release its going to be Rome and mobile APU 3000 series, like people have already written 12nm+. Maeby some cind of hybrid Zen+/Zen2 again. Hopefully they have been able to reduce IFs powerdraw this time and take bigger share of the mobile market.

 

[TrixX]

Thinking about the APU point, I think with the focus heavily switching to 7nm I really doubt they'll bother with 12nm refresh APU's. They'll just got all in on 7nm and use the lowest rated cores for the APU's paired with Navi/Vega and still have some of the best APU's on the market, if not the best.

 

[NinjaCool]

The tech press could be in for one heck of a busy time at CES if AMD actually manages to surprise us all

 

[B12B6]

Thinking about the APU point, I think with the focus heavily switching to 7nm I really doubt they'll bother with 12nm refresh APU's. They'll just got all in on 7nm and use the lowest rated cores for the APU's paired with Navi/Vega and still have some of the best APU's on the market, if not the best.

Well there is couple of point to against and pro the 7nm argument. What they might do is bring higher end mobile apus with 7nm and keep these lower end models with 12nm+. 7nm parts are really expensive and I dont think manufacturers want to buy those for most of the laptops. IGPU is already maxed out for the bandwich so bringing more power to it, wount really make difference atleast on gaming. 12nm+ is not that bad of a process when you are not looking for maximum frequenzy and I think a lot of problems comes from IFs high power usage. AMD also has to consider GF waffer agreement and they need to buy 14/12+ parts on to the future. What is Nvidias low end lineup going to do lower end Radeon sales and how many of those chips they are going to be ordering from GloFo. On pro 7nm side there would ofcourse be lower power, smaller chips, higher frequencys maeby more cores etc. Maeby they will split it 12nm+ for 300U-3700U and 7nm 3800-3900U, or something on the lines. This is ofcourse complitely speculation on my part. I think waffer agreement with GloFo is going to effect heavily on AMDs disiseons on lower end models.

 

[LePhuronn]

People keep saying that 7nm is expensive and as a result anything based on 7nm isn't going to be cheap, but that's not entirely true. Yes, TSMC's 7nm R&D was expensive, yes it's expensive to create a 7nm wafer, but that expense is offset by having incredibly high yields and a design methodology that allows maximum scalability.

It appears that's what's happening with Zen 2. The video AdoredTV did on the EPYC chiplet stuff paints a good picture of how AMD's design and scalability offsets the initial expensive of 7nm production. Granted we only know EPYC is using the chiplet approach, but Ryzen will have similarities.

Vega 20 and Navi will be single dies, so it remains to be seen if there's anything in the design that can offset 7nm production costs like the CPUs can.

 

[beany_bot]

Right.
Xmas is over. Back to the excitment of upcoming zen2.

 

[LePhuronn]

Back to the excitment of upcoming zen2.

13 DAYS MUMMATRUCKERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

Sorry

 

[beany_bot]

If its even remotely better than ryzen 2000 I'm jumping on board. 4 threads just isn't cutting. It anymore. Been saving for shiny for 4 years anyway!

 

[lltfdaniel]

If its even remotely better than ryzen 2000 I'm jumping on board. 4 threads just isn't cutting. It anymore. Been saving for shiny for 4 years anyway!

Well we all will see how it goes, i am more interested in the last rehash of the am4 socket which is ryzen 4000 or zen 3.

 

[NinjaCool]

7nm combined with architectural enhancements should offer nice improvements over the Ryzen 2000 series, and hopefully at CES we will get to know much more

 

[KentMan]

Dont expect much at CES i will be surprised if we hear anything at all about consumer Zen2, i full expect any news to be Epyc and Radeon Enterprise related with nothing more than a "7nm for consumer is on track for 2019"

 

[DarrenM343]

Dont expect much at CES i will be surprised if we hear anything at all about consumer Zen2, i full expect any news to be Epyc and Radeon Enterprise related with nothing more than a "7nm for consumer is on track for 2019"

Gibbo is attending I believe. Maybe paper launches of something or other.

 

[Journey]

Dont expect much at CES i will be surprised if we hear anything at all about consumer Zen2, i full expect any news to be Epyc and Radeon Enterprise related with nothing more than a "7nm for consumer is on track for 2019"

Thanks for your amazingly detailed insider information, you must have missed the Epyc Rome/Radeon Instinct 7nm announcement on the 6th November due to being asleep.

If they were only going to say, "yep, on track." Why the heck would they bother to have a Keynote at all, something they have never done at the CONSUMER electronics show previously. There's a hint somewhere in there for you.

 

[KentMan]

Thanks for your amazingly detailed insider information, you must have missed the Epyc Rome/Radeon Instinct 7nm announcement on the 6th November due to being asleep.

If they were only going to say, "yep, on track." Why the heck would they bother to have a Keynote at all, something they have never done at the CONSUMER electronics show previously. There's a hint somewhere in there for you.

No i didnt miss it

Im still not convinced we will hear much if anything on Consumer Zen2, if anything the Keynote will be about AMD's past, present and future, company aims and goals etc and not specific details about their products, afterall are the Keynotes not a general thing rather than a talk on specifics?

I understand people are expecting huge news, but im tempering my expectations by expecting little to nothing, then i can avoid the hype that normally surrounds anything AMD does and avoid the let down that pretty much always follows lol.

Dont get me wrong, im excited as anyone else for Zen2, i want to upgrade from my 1700 and X370 and Vega 64 as much as the next man, but im trying to keep a lid on the expectations and keep it in check to avoid getting disappointed and end up making a knee jerk Intel purchase out of disappointment lol.

Does AMD have a history of big announcements at CES?

 

[4K8KW10]

No i didnt miss it

Im still not convinced we will hear much if anything on Consumer Zen2, if anything the Keynote will be about AMD's past, present and future, company aims and goals etc and not specific details about their products, afterall are the Keynotes not a general thing rather than a talk on specifics?

I understand people are expecting huge news, but im tempering my expectations by expecting little to nothing, then i can avoid the hype that normally surrounds anything AMD does and avoid the let down that pretty much always follows lol.

Dont get me wrong, im excited as anyone else for Zen2, i want to upgrade from my 1700 and X370 and Vega 64 as much as the next man, but im trying to keep a lid on the expectations and keep it in check to avoid getting disappointed and end up making a knee jerk Intel purchase out of disappointment lol.

Does AMD have a history of big announcements at CES?

So, basically your speculation is that AMD WON'T release Zen 2 but delay it like intel delay 10nm all the time.

 

[kitfit1]

No i didnt miss it Does AMD have a history of big announcements at CES?

No, they don't have a history of big announcements at CES. But they do have a history of big announcements at COMPUTEX, which is in May/June 2019. Whatever they do want to announce, has to be very important for them to pull it forward to CES from COMPUTEX. As EPYC has already been placed out for evaluation to customers and Threadripper is released after Ryzen. The reason for moving to CES can only be Ryzen.