The HBM2 was already mounted when they test the cards and oick the failures for Radeon 7.
Not possible to remove a stack once mounted to the interposer. So you have a 16GB card or it goes in the bin.
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Radeon VII a win or fail?
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The HBM2 was already mounted when they test the cards and oick the failures for Radeon 7.
Not possible to remove a stack once mounted to the interposer. So you have a 16GB card or it goes in the bin.
Fudzilla is getting their numbers for hbm price from gamers nexus, who in turn are getting it from one of the manufacturers based on purchase of 16 gigs of it. That's not the price amd is going to pay as they're ordering thousands of modules of it.
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Its an MI50 card that for one reason or another cannot perform as a full on MI50, so instead of throwing them all away they push it out as a Radeon VII. Just like Nvidia do with failures of chips, they are re purposed and used for something else a bit lower down the chain. Basic economics really.
Its far better than them just being lobbed in the bin as far as financials go. All manufacturers of any type of chips do it. It makes financial sense to do so. They couldnt put 8GB of HBM2 on it because everything is designed around the 16GB of HBM2 on the board and that would have cost more money to change it. Again better for financials.
They've re purposed a compute card into a compute and gaming card and its competing with the recently released RTX2080 at the same price.....with poor drivers. Not that shabby.
Mind you I still wouldnt pay £649 for a graphics card...from either manufacturer. The world has gone mad in the last few years.
Its far better than them just being lobbed in the bin as far as financials go. All manufacturers of any type of chips do it. It makes financial sense to do so. They couldnt put 8GB of HBM2 on it because everything is designed around the 16GB of HBM2 on the board and that would have cost more money to change it. Again better for financials.
They've re purposed a compute card into a compute and gaming card and its competing with the recently released RTX2080 at the same price.....with poor drivers. Not that shabby.
Mind you I still wouldnt pay £649 for a graphics card...from either manufacturer. The world has gone mad in the last few years.
The world has gone mad in the last few years.
Sure, capitalism. Everyone wants more things, and more money. The rich also want more money and don't want to share any wealth with anyone.
Soldato
Cause some people ware expecting GPU JESUS the saviour of the market, but no miracles happened yesterday
No, they weren't. Anybody following this even remotely closely knew full well it's a repurposed Instinct package and knew full well it wasn't going to set the world alight. And if you were following and expected miracles then you're an idiot who doesn't understand what they're looking at. Or trolling.
And for those who weren't following this, AMD have just released a new GPU that trades blows with the RTX 2080 for a little bit less money which is a major win.
Soldato
lolwhut? Jog on pal, there's not "defence" of AMD here. AMD can do plenty wrong. And show me constructive and valid criticism that I've "defended". But actually make constructive and valid criticism in the first place and I won't be amused by the tripe.
Soldato
Where are they cheaper? https://i.imgur.com/jUTjMf8.png
The prices for the vii on there are the retailer inflated prices, not its proper price.
Soldato
Oh well that's ok then, because we all pay the retailer suggested price... oh, wait.
People yesterday got the sapphire card for its proper price of £649. It's up to whoevers buying it if they want to pay the early adopter fee.
Soldato
That's still not cheaper than the real world price of a 2080 which was the original point I was replying to.
Soldato
And which retailer did you get your list from? Because those prices aren't in line with those on OcUK, which paints a somewhat different picture.
Soldato
That's from ************. They are entirely in line with OcUK's prices. Cheapest R7 is £650. Cheapest 2080 is £639. Both are available cheaper elsewhere, which isn't a great shocker.
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It seems that site is restricted, so I'll leave you to work out which pc part comparison site it's from.
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It seems that site is restricted, so I'll leave you to work out which pc part comparison site it's from.
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Here is a very good video explaining the difference between HBM and GDDR6
HBM2 isn't cheap but since AMD help develop it and declined to take royalties for it's been said that AMD doesn't pay what everyone pays for it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Bandwidth_Memory
https://wccftech.com/amd-squashes-rumors-hbm-ip-licensing-fees-memory-standard-free/
This is why we didn't see GDDr6 on R7, AMD is still promoting HBM and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
Some interesting and mostly fair responses. Thinking on, I do think the limited supply (5000?) shows that it is a stop gap card prior to Navi launching. Clearly they have made use of the Mi50/60? cards and repurposed them as a gaming card and basically it is a die shrunk Vega. Not a bad move from AMD and a good way of selling off failed chips and getting themselves back in the high end gaming segment. I do feel the launch is meh though and no overclocking helps (or the usual undervolting). I also don't feel we will be seeing the "fine wine" status with these cards, as Vega is quite long in the tooth now but saying that, it is AMD and they have eeked out performance before. Hopefully the overclocking part gets sorted very quickly and those who have already purchased one can enjoy having some fun with them.
16GB is nice for the 4K gamers out there and VRAM has added some decent longevity to the card and whilst it has some decent grunt, it should well last a good few years in someones PC. I do love the look of the card also but man, what were they thinking about the noise levels?
To those with one, nice one and I know you will enjoy it and sure, it is quite pricey but YOLO and all that, so crack on brothers.
I am looking forward to Navi and hopefully that isn't too far away and does kick some serious butt.
Shankly said earlier that if it was 10 fps faster, would it be a win or fail (or something like that) and I say a win then, as PC gamers, I think/feel the majority of us want smoother gaming and frames and sync technology do that.
16GB is nice for the 4K gamers out there and VRAM has added some decent longevity to the card and whilst it has some decent grunt, it should well last a good few years in someones PC. I do love the look of the card also but man, what were they thinking about the noise levels?
To those with one, nice one and I know you will enjoy it and sure, it is quite pricey but YOLO and all that, so crack on brothers.
I am looking forward to Navi and hopefully that isn't too far away and does kick some serious butt.
Shankly said earlier that if it was 10 fps faster, would it be a win or fail (or something like that) and I say a win then, as PC gamers, I think/feel the majority of us want smoother gaming and frames and sync technology do that.
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Gamer Nexus did an excellent review of the frame times of the card
https://www.gamersnexus.net/hwreviews/3437-amd-radeon-vii-review-not-ready-for-launch
On average R7 has very low frametimes and through observation of their results slightly better then a 2080.
So, the R7 is going to give you a very smooth gameplay experience even if it doesn't flat out beat the 2080.
Another observation is that the heatsink cold plate used by AMD doesn't make good contact with the die. So I can only speculate that once one of AMD's vendors make their own HSF deisgn this will be improved on thus allowing for higher dynamic clock rates with just thermal paste. Which will in turn show higher frame rates.
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I'm pretty sure we didn't see GDDR6 on the Radeon 7 because Vega Instinct use HBM2, and this is just a repurposed Instinct.
And I'm also fairly certain we won't see HBM on Navi if Navi is the midrange, lean and small die it's alleged to be.
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Great card (for AMD) ruined by Drivers atm. Cooler while better than a blower style cooler seems too restrictve, ie most flow goes towards the PCIE slot.
I want to see the performance with a better cooler, or EKWB and working drivers.
What makes me laugh is its doing 1080ti performance and loads of people are saying its rubbish. Oh so 1080ti is rubbish now? PLEASE.
I want to see the performance with a better cooler, or EKWB and working drivers.
What makes me laugh is its doing 1080ti performance and loads of people are saying its rubbish. Oh so 1080ti is rubbish now? PLEASE.
radeon 7 nvidia 2080 1080ti not much difference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzbvueCLLyQ:p:o
I don't know why they don't design coolers which throw the hot air directly out from the ports plate of the cards. Only the blower coolers do it but they lack additional fans and performance is still not satisfactory.
Imagine an M.2 drive sitting next to the card...