AMD Zen 2 (Ryzen 3000) - *** NO COMPETITOR HINTING ***

[LumpyVR]

So I built my Ryzen system originally with the 1600 with the intention of upgrading this generation. See no reason to change my plans! To be fair I think upgrading to the 3600 would be a decent upgrade taking into account IPC and the clockspeed bump, but I'm thinking of going 8 or 12 core this time for a bit more future proofing. Ideally I dont want to upgrade for another 3 or 4 years really.

Very interested to see reviews of the 3700X, 3800X and 3900X mainly from a gaming and VR perspective. As people have pointed out there seems such a small difference between the 3700X and 3800X you've got to assume the 3800X benefits from XFR/PB more. If not then 3700X would be the value for money choice you'd think?

 

[beany_bot]

So I built my Ryzen system originally with the 1600 with the intention of upgrading this generation. See no reason to change my plans! To be fair I think upgrading to the 3600 would be a decent upgrade taking into account IPC and the clockspeed bump, but I'm thinking of going 8 or 12 core this time for a bit more future proofing. Ideally I dont want to upgrade for another 3 or 4 years really.

Very interested to see reviews of the 3700X, 3800X and 3900X mainly from a gaming and VR perspective. As people have pointed out there seems such a small difference between the 3700X and 3800X you've got to assume the 3800X benefits from XFR/PB more. If not then 3700X would be the value for money choice you'd think?

I suspect the 3700x,3800x,3900x and 3950x will all overclock similarly. And in gaming will perform the same. Next gen consols are 8 core. So don't expect games to be coded for more than 8 cores any time in the next 6+ years.

 

[LumpyVR]

I suspect the 3700x,3800x,3900x and 3950x will all overclock similarly. And in gaming will perform the same. Next gen consols are 8 core. So don't expect games to be coded for more than 8 cores any time in the next 6+ years.

I suspect this is likely, I'm in no rush so no need for pre-order madness I can wait for reviews and maybe even for prices to stabilize. You never know you may see some drops once the initial excitement starts to tail off!

 

[Journey]

184 FPS on a Core i7 5960X @ 4.2 GHz, yes. That may be the bottleneck of the 2080Ti but I doubt it based on typical gains over the 2080.

So why did you bother to post the link in the first place if it doesn't represent the competition which is the 9900K? You literally just wasted letters.

 

[strocky]

its like asking if nosmo 370z is worth extra over 370gt... Depends on person. for me moving from 1700x to 2700x was worth it so now moving from 2700x to 3900x is worth it.

That's why I solely asked FPS difference in game playing only

 

[Kashinoda]

So why did you bother to post the link in the first place if it doesn't represent the competition which is the 9900K? You literally just wasted letters.

Right, because a 4.2GHz Haswell outperforms a 9900K.

What does everyone get so defensive? Ridiculous.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

3700X is $329 = £259 * 1.2 = ~£310 probably £319.99

most likely just be swapping the $$$ sign for £££ , £329 UK . Reseller will jack up pricing if it sells out quickly and stocks are short .

again x570 are roughly 15% higher then z390 but thats general pricing globally or BOM

also wait for Reviewers with Ryzen 3000 - AMD like everyone else tailors it to their needs. not discrediting their new chips as i'll be getting one.. just seens AMD PR and others First hand

Im leaning on the 12 core for sure. But wondering if I should just get the 8 core. I dont stream. hmm. might depend on X570 mobo costs,

P.S. when are we getting prices on the X570 boards?

add 15% roughly to z390 line up and you have a very good indication

Taichi should be $269, but I am waiting for some confirmation as I was previously told that it would be ~£229. The nice thing about the ASRock boards is that the DIMM slots are in T-Topology layout so if you do add more RAM at a later date you won't be as limited in clock speed.

will have to dig up thread on asrock z370- had a forum member on here with reply from asrock about their taichi i think it was stating that adding 4 sticks lowered all sticks to default speed . will have to double check it and x570 boards - was pretty surprised at asrock reply

 

[Kashinoda]

"steam ahead???" the 2080TI there with the 9900K was 184 FPS, that's 4.5% and how do you know the 3900X was not bottlenecked by the 2080?

I mean that's literally what I said.

And that's 184 FPS with a Haswell 8C 4.2GHz chip.

 

[N19h7m4r3]

apparently AMD did not have the intel security mitigations installed, so best case for Intel?

AMD was also tested without the Windows 10 updates that improve performance.

6:36

 

[Journey]

Right, because a 4.2GHz Haswell outperforms a 9900K.

What does everyone get so defensive? Ridiculous.

I wasn't being defensive, your argument is that the 3900X is slower than the 9900K in GTA V, due to the fact that AMD used and that the RTX 2080 will bottle neck, rather than the CPU slowing it down and a more fair representation would have used a 2080Ti thus showing the performance deficit that the CPU is causing. However you then went on to select a benchmark based on a Haswell-E CPU, which shows that it can achieve 8 FPS more than the setup demo'd by AMD, at whatever settings they used with an RTX 2080Ti, and assumed that the 3900X must be slower if they chose to use an RTX 2080 when you don't actually know.

Just for reference the 4.8GHZ 8700K does 187FPS average with a 2080Ti, steaming ahead of a 5960X right?

 

[orbitalwalsh]

apparently AMD did not have the intel security mitigations installed, so best case for Intel?

AMD was also tested without the Windows 10 updates that improve performance.

6:36

cringed slightly at rx5700 graphics .. but personally want to see some damn 8 core goodness !!!!!!! cash on 12 cores and 16 cores can be slapped on monitor and GPU power

 

[chroniclard]

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I would probably go 12 core and that is what I am thinking next year even. Most games are still going to not use more than 8 core but that leaves 4 core for external apps and OS to run off in my view would make sense then.

Already see a lot of modern games using all cores, not sure that will translate to any more performance though with more cores.

 

[Kashinoda]

I wasn't being defensive, your argument is that the 3900X is slower than the 9900K in GTA V, due to the fact that AMD used and that the RTX 2080 will bottle neck, rather than the CPU slowing it down and a more fair representation would have used a 2080Ti thus showing the performance deficit that the CPU is causing. However you then went on to select a benchmark based on a Haswell-E CPU, which shows that it can achieve 8 FPS more than the setup demo'd by AMD, at whatever settings they used with an RTX 2080Ti, and assumed that the 3900X must be slower if they chose to use an RTX 2080 when you don't actually know.

Just for reference the 4.8GHZ 8700K does 187FPS average with a 2080Ti, steaming ahead of a 5960X right?

Yes, an inferior Intel CPU that hit 184 FPS, I'm speculating that this is actually no where near the bottleneck of the 2080Ti and that logically the 9900K would score higher than 184.

I think it'll translate into a 10% difference which is pretty significant. Unless you have a good reason why AMD would neglect to use a 2080Ti?

 

[Journey]

will have to dig up thread on asrock z370- had a forum member on here with reply from asrock about their taichi i think it was stating that adding 4 sticks lowered all sticks to default speed . will have to double check it and x570 boards - was pretty surprised at asrock reply

Yes, on the old X370 Taichi that was a major problem it was the first board I had to mess around with when Zen first launched, but them RAM was all over the place due to the AGESA being very young. The new X570 ASRock boards, afaik are all T-Topology, at least all the ones I've enquired about, and given the ability to clock the RAM much higher on Zen2, I can see it being a significant advantage if you plan on adding more RAM at a later date.

No need to worry about CPU stock levels, we have been told that our allocation will be "no issue" and that regular stock refresh will be available, although oddly enough the OEM parts are something of a mystery as we've been told nothing about those yet.

 

[Journey]

Yes, an inferior Intel CPU that hit 184 FPS, I'm speculating that this is actually no where near the bottleneck of the 2080Ti and that logically the 9900K would score higher than 184.

I think it'll translate into a 10% difference which is pretty significant. Unless you have a good reason why AMD would neglect to use a 2080Ti?

Why did you ignore the 4.8GHz 8700K at 187 FPS then? Is it because it doesn't fit in your narrative? How much faster do you think the 9900K with one core at 5.0GHz is going to be than 187FPS 4.8GHz 8700K. Don't worry I don't expect an answer since you ignored it the first time

 

[willhub]

Now realistically how much of an upgrade would 2700X to 3700X be? Because if it's not huge leap maybe I'd be better whacking a cheapo one of them in. I just want smooth cities skylines or at least 20fps lol.

 

[Ross Thomson]

Now realistically how much of an upgrade would 2700X to 2700X be? Because if it's not huge leap maybe I'd be better whacking a cheapo one of them in. I just want smooth cities skylines or at least 20fps lol.

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[DragonQ]

Crucial Ballistix Sport 3000MHz C15 - part number BLS2K8G4D30AESCK, BLS2K8G4D30AESBK or BLS2K8G4D30AESEK.

If you can't get 3400MHz at 16-18-18 which was your preferred choice, I'll go and buy a hat and eat it. Just for reference, I got a set running on a Ryzen 2200G at 16-17-17-36 1T with 1.4v at 3733MHz.

BLS2K8G4D30AESBK seems to be ~£80. On paper it has lower specs than other similarly priced kits. I know you've had a good experience but how is one supposed to decide and know which one will work with higher speed or tighter timings? It's a nightmare.

Seems like a decent punt though...only downside is not being able to actually test it until mid/late July!

 

[maklabouhlel]

I apologise if this sounds dumb but am I right in assuming a 105W TDP cpu doesn't draw a maximum of 105W? In other words, power consumption is not same as TDP.

 

[pmc25]

According to Bits&Chips, the benches and PCs running at the show ran the Intel systems without firmware / software mitigation patches, and the AMD systems pre 1903 (which offered small boosts for Ryzen).

Presumably anticipating most reviews to do exactly that, in dishonest fashion.

Real world the delta might be significantly greater, if this is true.