2008 German GP - Race 10/18
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^^ I dunno, it looks like you're looking for excuses...
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Good team race. Last year the fighting in Mclaren cost them the title. With a #1 and #2 driver this year they have a better chance of taking the drivers tittle. Hekki has also been quite poor this year but its not been all his fault.
Good race in the dry
Good race in the dry
In the last couple of years he has talked the talk rather than walking the walk more than anything else - even though the McLaren was one of the best cars in the field - yet he wants to get bogged down by not beating a rookie in the same team
Even in a team centered around here he fails to get the first podium of the season against a rookie, from a 2nd grid slot he doesnt even get a point (30 odd seconds behind his team member)
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yes thats true and if you think itv are bad you should whatch it on tele cinco
(spains ch5) they even more biased towards alonso than athing else. I guess iam lucky if hamilton is in the lead i switch to tele cinco and hear them **** of lewis and priase alonso for driving a poor car so well.
i guess its the same for every other tv channel world wide. You root for your country men.
Fantastic race though, doesn't bother me if saftey car was involved.
I admit that this season, Alonso has not been strong. In fact, based on this season alone, I would not place Alonso as one of the best drivers in F1.
He was terrible in today's race and wasnt great in the last few races, especially in France where he got overtaken by his own team mate. That was bad.
In today's race, after the Vettel incident, Alonso got riled up and everything went downhill from there. He does take incidents like that very personally. Also, if he doesnt get everything his own way, he begins to question that maybe the people around him dont want him to succeed (he did this at Renault and McLaren).
However, in saying all this, I feel that once he gets a good car under him, he will show just how good he is.
In my mind, the only driver who is capable of beating Hamilton, over the course of a full season is Alonso. All other drivers would get demolished, just as we are seeing with Heikki (Hamilton has more than doubled Heikki's points total). Granted, that Heikki isnt a great driver, but he isnt exactly crap either.
Last year, after he got his head sorted out and understood that he would not be given preferential treatment and that he was not liked by most of the team, he outscored Hamilton (in the 2nd half of the season). I think Alonso was shocked that he was driving alongside a rookie who was actually able to match his own pace - something that took half a season for him to get over.
He was terrible in today's race and wasnt great in the last few races, especially in France where he got overtaken by his own team mate. That was bad.
In today's race, after the Vettel incident, Alonso got riled up and everything went downhill from there. He does take incidents like that very personally. Also, if he doesnt get everything his own way, he begins to question that maybe the people around him dont want him to succeed (he did this at Renault and McLaren).
However, in saying all this, I feel that once he gets a good car under him, he will show just how good he is.
In my mind, the only driver who is capable of beating Hamilton, over the course of a full season is Alonso. All other drivers would get demolished, just as we are seeing with Heikki (Hamilton has more than doubled Heikki's points total). Granted, that Heikki isnt a great driver, but he isnt exactly crap either.
Last year, after he got his head sorted out and understood that he would not be given preferential treatment and that he was not liked by most of the team, he outscored Hamilton (in the 2nd half of the season). I think Alonso was shocked that he was driving alongside a rookie who was actually able to match his own pace - something that took half a season for him to get over.
JRS is very quiet lately - does anyone have his address as I'm worried he might have done something to himself after seeing the driver he is so obsessed with perform two truely great races.
Actually, JRS is quiet in this thread because of several reasons:
1) I didn't feel like commenting on it.
2) If I had commented on it, I'd only have ended up complaining about it not being as good as racing from years back and wound Memphis up.
3) The main reason, which I'll get to.....now-ish.
I'm only here now because someone who shall remain nameless insisted pretty vehemently that I ought to at least point out why I haven't made an appearance in this thread. I'm not going to be in F1 threads much for the rest of this season**. I'm not enjoying watching the racing particularly, and I'm certainly not enjoying talking about the racing here and on other forums. When I read posts like this, despite the praise that I do heap on Lewis Hamilton when he warrants it, then I tend to wonder what would be the point in me coming on here today and saying "that was a bloody brilliant race by Lewis". You'd just ignore it and make snarky comments like the above.
For the record - that was a bloody brilliant race by Lewis. One could even call it Schumacher-esque - odd race strategy compared to his title rivals that required a serious turn of speed. Which he delivered. He passed cars on the track (praise be to God!), and he never once looked out of control or even slightly panicked. He just got on with it.
Seems like I have to bring on the big guns this time to try and get the point across. Once more, with feeling:
I LIKE LEWIS HAMILTON. I THINK HE IS A GREAT DRIVER. IT'S HIS DAMNED FAN CLUB THAT I CAN'T STAND.
There. Savvy? Any further questions? Take your time, no rush. If I have to explain it again I'll use colour. Or maybe an animated gif. We'll see.
I've never once said that I didn't rate Hamilton as a driver. I've said he's no Senna, but that's hardly an insult. And he's got the time to make that grade yet. I call him The Messiah™ and whinge about the ITV commentary team who seem to believe that the sun shines from a certain part of Lewis' anatomy, but that's about it. As a person....well, compared with Kyle Busch he's a model of humility
Anyway. I'm going to go watch an old race now ('91 Italian GP). Might as well watch some pretty cars today!
** - the sound you just heard was Memphis' head exploding with joy. Someone better fetch a mop.
I find it pretty amazing that any motor racing fan didn't find the last couple of races enjoyable. Today looked like it was going to be a yawnfest until Glock's crash but then we witnessed a great comeback. The British GP will go down as one of the greatest wet weather drives ever.
I'd have thought with Glock's crash carnage and safety car you might have enjoyed today's race at least.
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lol, scraping the barrel, I question whether you have watched F1 for the last few years...
That was the season where Williams battled McLaren and Williams were coming back hard at McLaren. Mansell was in his element, too, as in my opinion, in 1991 - 1993, he was the best driver on the planet, so if you like to see Brits dominate, those years are great.
That season marked the end of an era, as it was McLaren's last year in which they dominated. The following seasons would see Williams with by far, the best car [In Silverstone 1992, Mansell qualified about 2s faster than his team mate who was a further 0.5s ahead of the rest. McLaren were pannicking and Senna wanted to jump ship].
For me, 1991, 1992 and 2007, are the best seasons in F1.
And its good to see that JRS is acknowledging that Hamilton really is that good. Though you still believe that Hamilton isnt in the same class as Senna - something that I totally disagree with. In fact, Hamilton is proving that he is the best wet weather driver (which Senna was) and is also terrifically fast in the dry. I would argue that Hamilton is an evolution of Senna's ability.
The rules allow team orders but not team orders which "affect the race result".Did they hell
The only comments made were to the effect of "Whats going on here"?
Nothing to the magnitude seen in Austria back in 02.
As I said. Team orders are team orders. The rules dont mention anything about a driver who is faster than the other.... or gifting wins or what not. Its plain and simple really.
Not trying to take anything away from Hamiltons win, which was stellar, but the point is that people seem to think that this kind of action is acceptable when it serves their purpose in any shape or form.
The FIA has recordings of all team's radio traffic so if any rule has been broken then McLaren would quickly be punished.
Yep. Today's race was a great demonstration of Hamilton's dry race speed and Silverstone was a demonstration of just how good he is in variable weather conditions.
Both of them were great races.
If I want to watch crashing, I'll go watch Touring Cars.
JRS can't enjoy Formula 1, it's just not in him.
It wasn't Kimi who knocked over the girl it was the reporter and her clipboard. That's why Kimi kept on walking in a "erm not my problem" sort of way and the reporter rushed back after she realised what she had done.
Hmm so in my mind of minds, Hamilton was let through by Kova, made his life easier to catch up Massa and Piquet which equaled a win.
Hell by switching positions, Kova gifted Hamilton a few extra points.. surely that "affects the race result"? Or am I missing something here?