2008 German GP - Race 10/18

Wicksta · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:13

JRS is very quiet lately - does anyone have his address as I'm worried he might have done something to himself after seeing the driver he is so obsessed with perform two truely great races.

Cavallino · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:15

Slam62 said:
To be fair Piquet made no mistakes and was in a car somewhat slower than the ones around him, plus his tires were older.

That is true, but then he got bunched up with the front due to the SC. Not to mention 8 or so laps driving around at slow speeds and saving the tyre behind the safety car.

SC04 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:18

In contrast Alonso's race looked bad, but he was one of the few having a go at cars infront of him and lost all his places through not being conservative enough (which isnt really racing)

Emlyn_Dewar · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:21

There's racing and then there's being hot headed, it made for good TV but Alonso did just look a bit shabby today. Overdriving the car and taking questionable risks.
Shame, you could see after he was on the radio about Vettel that he was going to lose it.

Wizzfizz · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:22

Cavallino said:
If they did, it was nowhere to the degree we saw in Austria.
And were the crowd booing in Australia? I think not.

You can go check too

I've no reason to check as I know what happened.

Your making statements without any evidence. How are you to know the crowd wasn't booing at the '98 Aus race? afterall it was on the home straight when it happened.

I'm sure you can prove me otherwise

Slam62 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:22

I respect Fred more this year than last, but he hasn't done that well has he.

Mad_Jay · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:25

Shamelessly stealing this off another forum, will try to find a source.

A Japanese girl is comforted by her father after she was run over by Ferrari Formula One driver Kimi Raikkonen of Finland, pairs of legs left, prior to the German Formula One Grand Prix in Hockenheim, Germany, Sunday, July 20, 2008. The little girl asked for an autograph but got in his way. Raikkonen was later criticized that he did not even apologize. (AP Photo/Martin Meissner)

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That is indeed rather shocking if its true :eek:

SC04 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:29

Emlyn_Dewar said:
There's racing and then there's being hot headed, it made for good TV but Alonso did just look a bit shabby today. Overdriving the car and taking questionable risks.
Shame, you could see after he was on the radio about Vettel that he was going to lose it.

He was driving a slow car on a low fuel load, theres nothing questionable about having a go. How often do we hear the teams pushing the drivers on the radio and see no results from them? It bothered me when Renault were pushing Piquet when Hamilton growling down his neck, like he could do much about it.
If Alonso was Coulthard (described as 'great' today) he would have collided with Trulli. Also he sounded anything but Hot Headed after the incident with Vettel.

sunama · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:30

A Japanese girl is comforted by her father after she was run over by Ferrari Formula One driver Kimi Raikkonen of Finland, pairs of legs left, prior to the German Formula One Grand Prix in Hockenheim, Germany, Sunday, July 20, 2008. The little girl asked for an autograph but got in his way. Raikkonen was later criticized that he did not even apologize. (AP Photo/Martin Meissner)

So, in this race, he ran over the feet of a little girl.
And was it in France where he knocked a photographer over, as he got a little close?

Kimi is a bad boy.

Mad_Jay · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:31

He pushed a photographer over at Silverstone, found the source btw.

http://www.sportsline.com/autoracing/photos/motor_sports_formula_one (Pic #4)

Slam62 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:32

Kimi to sulk off -- oh I mean retire to his boat at the end of the year?

Cavallino · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:43

Sabotaj said:
I've no reason to check as I know what happened.

Your making statements without any evidence. How are you to know the crowd wasn't booing at the '98 Aus race? afterall it was on the home straight when it happened.

I'm sure you can prove me otherwise

I have watched every Formula 1 race for the last 25 years. Ok I may not know every particular detail of each race, but there are things that just blatantly stand out. Such as this.

During the national anthems and at the chequered flag you can hear everyone booing Ferrari and Schumacher, you'd be deaf not to.

Whereas in Australia of 98, Mclaren/Hakkinen/Coulthard were not boo-ed.

Austrian 2002 GP Wiki entry. Mentions jeering by the fans.

Australian 1998 GP, no mention of jeering by the fans.

I have a big archive of Grand Prix video files, Ill dig something out...

SC04 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:43

Slam62 said:
I respect Fred more this year than last, but he hasn't done that well has he.

Well as it turned out Alonso was right about last year, McLaren were the losers for not backing one or the other driver. Not surprisingly their stance changed, but Alonso is the bad guy for being right?
Also we know he's the only driver who can compete with Hamilton and is still impressing the trackside people who matter, like Brawn and Montezemolo.

Swissy · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:44

Slam62 said:
Kimi to sulk off -- oh I mean retire to his boat at the end of the year?

If i was Kimi i would do the same thing, plenty £££ in the bank = care free living, at least for a while ,,,,,,,,PARTY, in a shameless sort of way

Slam62 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:47

SC04 said:
Well as it turned out Alonso was right about last year, McLaren were the losers for not backing one or the other driver. Not surprisingly their stance changed, but Alonso is the bad guy for being right?
Also we know he's the only driver who can compete with Hamilton and is still impressing the trackside people who matter, like Brawn and Montezemolo.

Well this is a good example of even though you're in the right you might be better to just keep quiet.

I think Alonso is good but can also be rash, Ferrari won't put up with no WDC for long (should that even happen)

Slam62 · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:48

Swissy said:
If i was Kimi i would do the same thing, plenty £££ in the bank = care free living, at least for a while ,,,,,,,,PARTY, in a shameless sort of way

Yes but it's not about the money

Mad_Jay · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:51

And now a video of the Kimi incident has been found..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvoGqB-j_U

He could have at least of gone back and said sorry, what an idoit.

Blackvault · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:55

Mad_Jay said:
And now a video of the Kimi incident has been found..

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VGvoGqB-j_U

He could have at least of gone back and said sorry, what an idoit.

I don't regard Kimi that highly and this video hasn't done him any favors for me.

Blackvault

Emlyn_Dewar · 20 Jul 2008 at 15:55

Kimi... Why? A simple apology + autograph to make up for it would have taken seconds.

FrankJH · 20 Jul 2008 at 16:06

SC04 said:
You havnt met Alonso then. Explain why Piquet got where he was with your 15 years knowledge then?

Everytime Alonso speaks he has to state that he is better than anyone - most other drivers actually leave that to be stated how they perform on the track without necessity of throwing toys out of their pram

By driving a better race from a much worse position (14 places wasnt it?)

Admittedly Piquet was a little lucky as he didnt really have much of an option on how to run his race from that grid position, but even so he made no mistakes whereas Alonso made a few mistakes and lost positions to equal cars/driver combos

Piquet was easily able to keep ahead of Massa - and yet a "better" driver couldnt hold of Kimmi in a much worse set-up Ferrari

SC04 said:
In contrast Alonso's race looked bad, but he was one of the few having a go at cars infront of him and lost all his places through not being conservative enough (which isnt really racing)

Dont delude yourself he made several mistakes one of which trying a move that was never going to work out (as Kovi was always going to be blocking where Alonso wanted to be to make the move work) and that cost him several positions