Just saw someone jump off the top of a 5 story car park.

chiLLZ said:
I get angry when someone tries to comit suicide by risking the lives of others. My cousin was hit by a driver who was driving the wrong way at 120mph his friend was killed and he had a long recovery in hospital. THATS selfish.
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In addition to his speed (let's say 40), he got hit by another car travelling at 120mph head-on, and he lived? What the hell was he driving, a tank?
 
Pestilence said:
Did your girlfriend actually see that or is it some kind of anomaly? Sorry, but your post doesn't explain that - eg. urban legend that she's bought into etc.

However, the "suicide is selfish" standpoint is held by the many and is, largely, the definition of ignorance. Suicidal people need much more than that - those who have gone through with it didn't get it and have been labelled "selfish"; the UTTER crescendo of society's inability to associate with the illness.

I've posted many times about this (from first hand experience) throughout my time on this forum - including when one guy jumped to his death in Derby (or Mansfield - sorry, I can't exactly remember) - while the public urged him to do it, and I can't be bothered going through it all again. If you think suicidal people are cowards, you have much to learn.
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Yeah, sorry I should have clarified, she saw it.

I said it is a selfish action because it is that - an action that is occupied with self interest. It is about the suffering of the self - not others. It is that person's suffering, they want an end to their suffering, their pain, it is about them, their inability to deal with whatever issue they are facing - or at least, the feeling that they're unable to.

A suicidal person jumping off a building down into a crowd of people below is hardly thinking about the people who are going to be traumatised by watching someone throw themselves to their death, or about the people who will feel pain from losing that person - no, they are preoccupied with the thought that the only way to escape, or the only way to deal with whatever it is that is troubling them.

For the most part, it is a selfish act, with the emphasis being on the person who is suffering and not the people who may suffer the consequences.

I do agree that people urging someone to jump, or to stand by and filming the incident are probably more troubled than the person themselves, and those people should be wracked with guilt.

Suicide could be considered a cowardly action - it is in the grand scheme of things - but them, it is not just the easy way out, it is often the ONLY way out - that they can see.

What they need(ed) is/was help before getting to that point. People close by should have, instead of being apathetic, done something about it. Those are the criminals in all of this.
 
Azagoth said:
In addition to his speed (let's say 40), he got hit by another car travelling at 120mph head-on, and he lived? What the hell was he driving, a tank?
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He was driving a isuzu pickup with a trailer, I am just going on what i was told, the other guy was driving a merc in the early hours of the morning, what speed to you think he was doing if he was trying to kill himself? this happened in south africa and i am converting from kph to mph also i dont know if the police actually clocked him so they might have estimated based on what the car is cabible of and where it happened on the highway. also the passanger side of the front of the truck took the brunt of the first impact. the guy in the merc dies and aparently he had tried that kind of thing before.
 
West said:
It's very un-fortunate you had to see something like that.

I am a little confused as to why Police didn't attempt to assess her, they are all first aid trained, my first instinct as someone who has the same training (Plus the knowledge I have from triaging 999 calls) would be to check if she was breathing etc, that 10 minutes could have saved her life. Did she intend to jump (I.E Suicide or was it accidental?

As for the people recording.. disgusting.. they're going to have to live with that on their head for a long time.
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People who would video it wouldn't care, though. So it won't be on their heads.
 
Vita said:
True, however, risk a life to save a life.
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A sane risk if there's a chance, yes. Trying to catch an adult after they've fallen 40 feet is futile and probably fatal. There is no way you could decelerate them within a couple of feet and even if you were Superman and therefore could do so, the deceleration would probably be enough to kill them anyway.
 
Morgoth said:
Christ, that's a bit of a downer for a Saturday night. As people have said I don't think the people recording thought that the girl was going to actually take her own life. nobody in their right mind would want a video of someone committing suicide to play back at their leisure.
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I think you are too optimistic. We live in a society where videos of people injuring and perhaps killing themselves are very widely seen as being funny.
 
AcidHell2 said:
This I know, but don't you find it strange or or even disgraceful they did not even check vitals?
Is there a rule saying they can't check vitals in these situations, or any other reason why they would not?
(assuming asim is right)
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Maybe she landed on her head. Not much point checking vitals then. 40 feet onto concrete can easily do very obviously fatal damage.
 
D D Danneh said:
Personally, at least if I lived nearby, my first instinct would be to lay down something to land on, and encourage others to do the same. Duvets, pillows, anything soft. I know there's no way I could catch someone from 5 stories. I'm not platinum87. But at least putting something below her will soften the impact, which could save her life.
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Not by enough, not unless you had an unfeasibly large number of duvets.

Essentially, you are helpless in this situation. Calling 999 is the only thing you can do unless you can somehow talk them out of jumping or sneak up there yourself and forcibly restrain them before they notice you're there.
 
We had a similar thing happen down here, some boy was on top of our Westfield carpark and was suicidal, all the roads were closed causing a gridlock, hundreds of people were shouting abuse at the lad telling him to jump so they could get home and he did.
 
Gackt said:
I said it is a selfish action because it is that - an action that is occupied with self interest. It is about the suffering of the self - not others. It is that person's suffering, they want an end to their suffering, their pain, it is about them, their inability to deal with whatever issue they are facing - or at least, the feeling that they're unable to.
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Have you ever considered that a person contemplating suicide believes they are a plague/embaressment/failure to those they love et al, and the world is better off without them?

Time and time again suicide is referred to as 'selfish' or similar, but in my informed opinion it is by no means so black and white.

It is extremeley difficult to even contemplate the thoughts of those in such a position, and to label the term as selfish is bordering on ignorance.


Edit: Asim - sorry to hear you had to experience such a tragedy; it sounds like a hell of an ordeal to encounter when you're doing your shopping. Keep your chin up, don't be embaressed about talking to somebody about it if you do have a change of heart, and have a hug with your mum; it sounds like you're going to be keeping a good eye on her so well done :)
 
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This is really NOT something anyone should ever have to witness. Make sure you dont underestimate the effect it can help and talk to somebody about it.
 
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To the OP , very sorry that you had to witness such a thing, id talk to the police if i were you. Has anything been on the news or internet as of yet?


Hope you & your mum are well and seek help if needed

RIP to the girl - wish her family well
 
A YOUNG WOMAN fell to her death from Stratford car park last night.

Scotland Yard revealed this morning that police were called at a shortly after 5.25pm to reports of a woman threatening to jump the multi-storey car park.

As officers arrived at the scene they witnessed the woman fell to the ground from the seventh floor of the car park, writes COLIN GRAINGER, Editor.

Officers sealed off the grim scene and ambulance crews arrived. The woman was declared dead at around 6.30pm.

Police are now probing the cause of the woman's death, but they do not believe they are suspicious. They are still trying to identify the woman and contact next of kin.

It is understood the woman is in her late 20s or early 30s.

One person who saw the aftermath of the tragedy told us: "It was a terrible thing to happen. I feel so sorry for the woman.
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I have an idea as to what caused her death!
 
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