Monaco Grand Prix 2011, Monte-Carlo - Race 6/19

yes, but why is that not put on Maldonado? Why did he turn in so early?

Evidently in the stewards' view, he was entitled to turn in where he did as Hamilton was not fully alongside him. They will say that Hamilton should have seen that the move wasn't on, got out of it and waited for another opportunity. Same goes for the clash with Massa I would suspect.

I think Brundle has it right. Every time things go wrong for Hamilton recently it has to be someone else at fault. It can never be him being too aggressive, never be just sheer bad luck. It always has to be someone working against him. Where's the Lewis Hamilton that used to be brimming with self confidence, and took the odd bad day in his stride? These days it seems like his ego and mindset are as fragile as a McLaren rear wing under assault from a Torro Rosso....
 
Evidently in the stewards' view, he was entitled to turn in where he did as Hamilton was not fully alongside him. They will say that Hamilton should have seen that the move wasn't on, got out of it and waited for another opportunity. Same goes for the clash with Massa I would suspect

Excellent precedent - to defend your place, just turn in on the guy whenever you like, if he hits you, it's his fault anyway. Another fine logic chain from the stewards.

They're really out to promote overtaking, you can tell.
 
They only want fa ke overtaking.

How about they just slice the cars width by a third and do what they said, remove been more downforce. It has clearly worked just under 0.5 seconds yet again.
 
Essentially at Monaco, the only way to overtake without getting punished is if the guy in front pretty much gives up his position to you and doesn't fight your pass.

If he fights it, it almost certainly leads to contact of some sort because of the track and then you probably get punished for it.

yep, hamilton should have played it a lot cooler, you just can't pass at monaco unless the guy in front cooperates.

Track position is everything,
 
Which is exactly why Monaco sucks as a race track now - what's the point in a race where you can only overtake if the guy in front pretty much lets you?
 
They need to bring in a more powerful speed boost for over taking, an extra 200bhp or so to make it comprehensive, but only allowed to use this a certain amount for the entire race.

Or bring back turbos, you can crank the boost up for passing, but the engine may not last the race etc.
 
Hamilton has a thing called a break under his left foot. In all the incidents that have been penalised today the driver behind could have just stamped on the breaks when the door was being shut, like on ANY other track. Hamilton didnt close the door on MSc and was shut out several times when he should have just backed out.

Any other race track he'd have looked quite the fool but this is Monaco so siding with Hamilton to get the track of the calender seems to be the popular front.

He should have the decency not to be a complete child about it
 
Which makes for a poor race. Button still had to pass both Alonso and Vettle with no guarantee eithers tyres wouldn't of lasted the final laps, Vettle still looked in good enough shape to defend the tiny pass points of the track.
 
Yeah, think with the Massa incident Lewis is just way to ambitious. As for the Maldonado, I think that was just a racing incident, Mad is wide on the entry and Ham tries to do him on the late braking, Mal realises too late to defend his line. Unfortunately I think its just Monte Carlo, it's not a circuit designed for these cars, and like Lewis says you have to try and make the most of any opportunity. Glad to see Kob wasn't demoted though, great drive for Sauber today.
 

I'm not sure the bit of TV we saw of the accident is all that conclusive. Certainly the car was damaged in the clash at the hairpin, and certainly Massa did end up on the dirty part of the track in the tunnel when Hamilton got inside him. Was he forced out onto the marbles by Hamilton? Did the car lose enough aero performance to put him out there? Did he just screw up? Only Massa really knows.
 
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91860

And it begins...

Felipe Massa has called on the FIA to issue further penalties against Lewis Hamilton following a collision between the pair during the Monaco Grand Prix.

Hamilton made contact with the Ferrari driver at the Loews hairpin on lap 34 as he tried to pass his rival on the inside of the corner, driving over the kerbs in the process and knocking the nose of Massa's car against the rear wheel of Mark Webber's Red Bull.

Massa retired after crashing in the tunnel seconds later, an accident the Brazilian said was due to damage caused by Hamilton - who was given a drive-through penalty for causing the incident.

"He tried to pass me on the kerbs [when] I didn't think it was possible to overtake," said Massa.

And that's really is the crux of the issue. Didn't think it was a normal overtaking spot so turned into the side of him.
 
Evidently in the stewards' view, he was entitled to turn in where he did as Hamilton was not fully alongside him. They will say that Hamilton should have seen that the move wasn't on, got out of it and waited for another opportunity. Same goes for the clash with Massa I would suspect.

I think Brundle has it right. Every time things go wrong for Hamilton recently it has to be someone else at fault. It can never be him being too aggressive, never be just sheer bad luck. It always has to be someone working against him. Where's the Lewis Hamilton that used to be brimming with self confidence, and took the odd bad day in his stride? These days it seems like his ego and mindset are as fragile as a McLaren rear wing under assault from a Torro Rosso....

Brundle has won nothing, Hamilton has won a title, Vettel, Alonso, Schumy, all of them had the same mentality as Hamilton, so Brundle is showing what a clueless idiot he is saying he's got the wrong mentality. Its those who constantly question what they do and end up backing out of chances who never win anything.

I really do need to see the Maldanado one again but the Massa one, Hamilton made the move and Massa reacted, after it was too late for Hamilton to move. Had massa been tight to the curve and already deep in, thats one thing, thats what Di Resta did. But Massa was way on the outside, behind Webber and left a huge space then only closed it after Hamilton had put his nose into it. I don't think Massa should be punished there but Hamilton certainly shouldn't have been.


Schumacher did that to Hamilton, and Hamilton didn't go, opps I'll just smash us together, Schumacher got to apoint Hamilton couldn't actually block him without contact and he got past. Schumacher did that to Rossberg aswell and it happened elsewhere on the track, Hamilton back on Schumacher who once Hamilton got the nose in, gave him space.

When Schumacher does what Massa did, turn in too late and cause a crash or pushes someone off the track everyones up in arms.
 
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The thing about the Massa incident is, if Massa was trying to be so protective of his car he would have wound off a little steering lock to remove the contact between the cars. The fact he kept it on full lock is very telling. Hamilton was already on full lock - there was nothing more he could do to reduce the severity of the incident.
 
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