2012 predictions

The only problem Hamilton has had is with his horrendously high collision rate (specifically in the latter half of the season).

If you remove all the collisions (I haven't run through the calculations), but my guess is that he would be in front of Button, in terms of points, right now.

What's changed in the latter half of the season, is not his flat speed (he's just as fast as he ever was), but his collision rate (which has gone through the roof). If he can reduce his collision rate back to pre-2011 levels, he will be back to exactly where he was.

And with regards to Hamilton making best use of a fast car...before 2011, he used to be able to get the most out of even a slower car. For me, Hamilton (excluding the last 8-9 races) is right up there alongside Alonso/Vettel.
 
I would imagine Alonso doesn't want anyone doing a Hamilton and showing him up.

Ferrari are a 1 man team, they are very open about that. Alonso is the number 1, and I expect he is very happy with the current number 2 they have. Why change something that works well for everyone (except Massa)?

But generally IF Massa isnt getting the most out of the car that it is capable of.....maybe the team arent as happy as all that?

In a number of races surely the No2 car should have scored more points?

If you remove all the collisions (I haven't run through the calculations), but my guess is that he would be in front of Button, in terms of points, right now.
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And if JB had been as lucky as LH with (currently) no car failures, he would be 20 or 30 points better off again, and probably ahead of LH anyway

If's but's and maybe's :)
 
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And this.

Massa has done just enough. He has kept the Ferrari where it should be (in the top 3 teams), while not out performing his number 1 team mate. It is ideal for the team to have him in.

Its just a shame for him.

It's not a shame. Its his own fault that he isn't faster. If he was faster and constantly beating his teammate then he wouldn't have any problems.
 
Before I start, Arknor, this isn't a dig or an attempt to start a fight, it is a genuine serious discussion point.

I have been having a think about teams and their plans, and while I understand some, a couple have jumped out at me as being in a bit of no mans land in terms of direction, namely Mercedes and Torro Rosso.

Toro Rosso first. What is the purpose of that team? Or more importantly, what is the purpose of Red Bull owning that team? They have branded it as a 'junior' team, with the aim of developing drivers to promote them into the top team. However, since Vettel moved up, they have sat rather stagnent. They have run the same drivers for a few seasons, with it not really looking like that will change next year, and the promising young drivers who are looking to be put into the RBR team are being tried out else where (Riccardo at HRT, for example). I don't really get what they are trying to achieve, and they have ended up being an average team stuck in the midfield with average drivers and very little looking to change.

And then Mercedes. I heard that Rosberg has signed for a few more years, and according to Arknor Schumacher could be there for another couple too.
Now, when Mercedes bought Brawn and hired Schumacher, it was for 1 of 2 reasons (possibly both). Either they thought he had the skill in him to win races and get podiums, or they employed him to help develop the Mercedes into a race winning car with his years of development. Now, its 2 years in and the Mercedes team haven't moved. They are firmly stuck in the 'best of the rest' position and haven't closed the gap on the teams in front, and only have the occasional podium to show for it. Yes they had issue with budget and staffing after they inherited the Brawn team situation. Which actually brings me onto another point, where is Brawn? The Brawn/Schumacher partnership has proven success under their belt, but Merc don't seem to be making the most of it.

Basically, in my opinion after 2 years the Schumacher Experiment hasn't worked. He hasn't won any races and he hasn't developed the Mercedes into a winning car. Signing him for another couple of years strikes me as a bit of 'saving face' from Mercedes. They don't want to drop him and admit it was a bad idea, so instead they are just holding out until he retires.

But then, on the flip side, Rosberg hasn't exactly worked out either. He has out performed Schumacher, but not by much, but at the end of the day, he has hardly dragged the team up the grid either. And neither driver has staked a claim to be team number 1.

Basically, I don't get why Merc are sticking with the lineup they currently have. There are young guns lined up showing their promise (Di Resta, plus a fleet of Merc backed drivers in other formulas). They should drop one or the other. Either admit that the Schumacher Experiment didn't work, drop him, and give Roseberg a young team mate to lead, or if Schumacher is looking to be a valuable asset over the coming years, replace Rosberg with someone else to provide some new excitement into the team.

So in summary, what is the point in Red Bull still owning Toro Rosso, and why are Merc persisting with the Schumacher Experiment when it clearly isn't working?
 
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you realise this years merc was build with half the staff of the top teams?
all the merc staff hiring and restructuring has only just happened in the last few months so i dont get why you expect miracles.

you could argue the hamilton button thing hasnt worked because there car wasnt the best and they didnt take the championship , for someone like you who has aparently been watching f1 for more than a few years you would expect some kind of understanding of the sport.

btw you know adrian newey joined RBR at the end of 2005 right , how long did it take them again?
 
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sigh? how are ferrari doing with alonso? seems to be a failed experiment :rolleyes:

why dont they get someone young like di resta who has half the points of his team mate .... :o

every post you make about merc always comes across as having an hidden agenda , i get the impression you dont like schumacher so dont want him on the grid and some how you try to blame him for merc beeing only the 4th best team rather than come out and just admit your either trolling or a hater
 
Alonso is massively out performing that car, just as Kimi was in 2009.

Massa almost won the title when the car was joint best on the grid with the Mclaren in 2008, when Kimi suffered a number of mechanical breakdowns and a number of crashes, not least a dopey Hamilton crashing into the back of him while in the pits.

Mercedes will be a top 3 team in the next 3 years. It's probably too late for next year's car, as all the staff they've hired will take time to bed in. The new staff will help them be able to develop the car throughout the season though next year.
 
Alonso is massively out performing that car, just as Kimi was in 2009.

I was actually very impressed with him this weekend. You do have to question where the pace was in qualifying, but in the race he kept Hamilton honest all afternoon, and completely destroyed Massa in the same car.

Massa almost won the title when the car was joint best on the grid with the Mclaren in 2008, when Kimi suffered a number of mechanical breakdowns and a number of crashes, not least a dopey Hamilton crashing into the back of him while in the pits.

The Ferrari situation is different to Merc or RBR or McLaren, in that they run a very clear and open 1st driver policy. Ferrari gave Alonso the best chance possible of winning this year and last by throwing everything at him, but the ultimate lack of pace in the car hindered them. If you look at the situation through Ferrari's eyes, things are going to plan, they just need a faster car.

Mercedes will be a top 3 team in the next 3 years. It's probably too late for next year's car, as all the staff they've hired will take time to bed in. The new staff will help them be able to develop the car throughout the season though next year.

So in 2015 when Merc is a front running car, is Schumacher, aged 45, really going to be the man to bring them titles? Or would they not be better off with a pairing of younger long term drivers who will not only be faster, but are also more likely to stick around once they start being successful?
 
there is no young drivers worthy........
why are you so insistent on trying to get people in agreement that schumacher should be replaced now? just aboiut every post of yours in this thread stinks of bias and hatred towards the man get over it already like nearly everyone else did.
hes back , hes doing well and merc have one of the strongest driver pairings on the grid.


di resta is at force india who are getting 10million knocked of there engine deal with merc for aslong as they keep him.....

it makes no sense to drop a driver with tons of testing experience and grab a rookie when mercedes rookie is already racking up racing experience in the mid field where im sure hes learning a lot more about racing wheel to wheel than if he was at merc right now
 
sigh? how are ferrari doing with alonso? seems to be a failed experiment :rolleyes:

why dont they get someone young like di resta who has half the points of his team mate .... :o

:D

I have noticed that Di Resta seems to have plenty of supporters on this forum...probably due to him being British. But, when his team-mate is beating him in the WDC, in equal machinery...I can't see him as someone particularly special.

Sutil isn't exactly old, at 28 and he could quite happily do a good job at any midfield team. Di Resta has great flat speed though, which is good, but his ability to score points, while he is being beaten by his team-mate, has not been proven.

Should Mercedes replace any of their drivers? If they did, who would they replace them with? Rosberg has shown that he is a decent driver. MSc, though not as good as he once was, is also decent. Unless Mercedes can produce a super quick car, why would any top driver want to move to Mercedes? Why would you want to move away from Ferrari, McLaren or RBR (and this is where the top 4 drivers are), to goto a mid-field team like Mercedes?
 
You can support whoever you want...nothing wrong with that.
But just because someone is British, you shouldn't let that blind you to the facts.

I'm a Man Utd fan, but at no stage, would I ever say that Man Utd are better than Barcelona. The results/stats show that this is not the case.

In the same way, if Sutil is a more complete driver (ie. able to put together a points total in the WDC), I wouldn't say that Di Resta is more complete, just because he happens to be a Brit or somebody who I support.
 
Are we not allowed to support people because they are British now? :confused:

you can suport who you like but dont expect a rookie with half the points of his team mate to end up in a top car in his second season and maybe dont expect them to remain in f1 for very long at all.

mercedes already said they dont want a young driver and thats why they arent bothering with any at the young drivers test, they are happy with what they have and if you dont like it tough, you arent a merc suporter anyway so what does it matter to you?
 
In the same way, if Sutil is a more complete driver (ie. able to put together a points total in the WDC), I wouldn't say that Di Resta is more complete, just because he happens to be a Brit or somebody who I support.

Any consideration AT ALL to the differing levels of experience?

It may not be an exact science but Di Resta has comparative to his experience got more out of the the same car than Sutil - without even considering the number of races Sutil has been put on the better race strategy and yet still Di Resta has managed to get points or have a good race despite starting on slower tyres etc etc

Im not suggesting DR is worthy of a top line drive by any means, but if FI have to make a choice between the two current drivers for 2012, its definitely Sutil who deserves the chop
 
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