Italian Grand Prix 2013, Monza - Race 12/19

Skeeter · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:31

Jono8 said:
? Or someone who just admitted in front of millions of people that it was is mistake and he drove "like an idiot"

What is spoilt about that?

The interview he gave on Sky during Q3 was very different.

deuse · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:36

Skeeter said:
The interview he gave on Sky during Q3 was very different.

That will teach you not to watch the best and most viewed F1 channel the BBC

So rbs can change gears inside the gear box on both cars but not get a penalty!

Ryan-3 · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:38

MissChief said:
Anyone else praying for rain?

Just enough so they have to decide if it's worth putting inters on. Then torrential for the last two laps. :cool:

Alpherah · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:42

deuse said:
That will teach you not to watch the best and most viewed F1 channel the BBC

So rbs can change gears inside the gear box on both cars but not get a penalty!

Only Fools and Horses quote about the broom comes to mind.

MagicBoy · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:44

deuse said:
So rbs can change gears inside the gear box on both cars but not get a penalty!

Trying to work that one out. Can't see how they can crack the box open without breaking the seal!

deuse · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:44

Alpherah said:
Only Fools and Horses quote about the broom comes to mind.

Oh yes

MagicBoy · 8 Sep 2013 at 11:52

MagicBoy said:
Trying to work that one out. Can't see how they can crack the box open without breaking the seal!

To clear my own question up...

From ******* :
@andrewbensonf1: Re questions about Red Bull gearbox change - article 9.5.2 of tech regs allows certain parts to be changed under FIA supervision

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/technical_regulations/8710/fia.html said:
9.5.2 In this context the following parts are not considered part of the gearbox and may be changed without incurring a penalty under the F1 Sporting Regulations. If changing any of these parts involves breaking an FIA applied seal this may be done but must be carried out under FIA supervision :
- the clutch assembly and any shaft connecting the clutch to the crankshaft or first motion shaft of the gearbox, provided this is located prior to any mechanical speed reduction from the engine ;
- the clutch actuator and clutch release bearing(s) ;
- inboard driveshaft joints and seals but not their housing if that housing is integral with the gearbox output shaft and therefore part of the sprung mass ;
- the hydraulic system prior to the point at which it produces direct mechanical movement of the gear selection mechanism by means of hydraulic actuator(s) ;
- oil, oil pumps, oil filters, oil seals, oil coolers and any associated hoses or pipes ;
- electrical sensors, actuators, servo valves and wiring ;
- any parts associated with the suspension or functioning of the sprung suspension that are attached to the gearbox casing ;
- the rear impact structure provided it can be separated from any gearbox casing ;
- any other component mounted to the casing whose primary purpose is unconnected with the transmission of power or selection of gears.

Can't remember exactly what Ted said, but dog rings was in there somewhere and not mentioned above.

deuse · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:00

MagicBoy said:
To clear my own question up...

From ******* :
@andrewbensonf1: Re questions about Red Bull gearbox change - article 9.5.2 of tech regs allows certain parts to be changed under FIA supervision

Can't remember exactly what Ted said, but dog rings was in there somewhere and not mentioned above.

I thought ted said dog rings as well. Maybe he got it wrong? if not noting will happen. Thanks for the info. And it's raining now :mad:

CaptainRAVE · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:02

Will put this on in the background I think while I do a bit of work.

el_dazza · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:04

Forecast said no rain, could make it interesting if it does

Regy53 · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:06

enjoying skys coverage now, I do like the features they do

MagicBoy · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:07

deuse said:
I thought ted said dog rings as well. Maybe he got it wrong? if not noting will happen. Thanks for the info. And it's raining now

Wound it back during the ads. Fifth, sixth, seventh gears and dog rings on both Vettels and Webbers cars.

I can't see how that's not a gearbox change penalty, especially after qualifying.

deuse · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:10

MagicBoy said:
Wound it back during the ads. Fifth, sixth, seventh gears and dog rings on both Vettels and Webbers cars.

I can't see how that's not a gearbox change penalty, especially after qualifying.

I think a FIA steward will be there to look\check. I just hope he knows about gearbox parts.

TaKeN · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:11

Lol at Rob Smedley calling Massa 'Phillip'

MagicBoy · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:12

https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/376659507255840768

http://www.formula1.com/inside_f1/rules_and_regulations/sporting_regulations/8689/fia.html said:
d) At each Event seals may be broken once, under supervision and at any time prior to the second day
of practice, for the sole purpose of changing gear ratios and dog rings (excluding final drives or reduction gears). Competitors must inform the FIA technical delegate which ratios they intend to fit no later than two hours after the end of P2. However, one additional change of ratios and dog rings will be permitted if a gearbox change is necessary on the first day of practice before the end of P2. Gear ratios and dog rings (excluding final drives or reduction gears) may also be changed under supervision for others of identical specification at any time during an Event provided the FIA technical delegate is satisfied there is evident physical damage to the parts in question and that such changes are not being carried out on a systematic basis.

Glaucus · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:16

I'm up barely, didn't get to sleep till almost 8.

deuse · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:16

MagicBoy said:
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/376659507255840768

Thanks dude.

Duke · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:17

Fitted longer gears?

Pigeon_Killer · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:20

Rain \o/

Merlin5 · 8 Sep 2013 at 12:21

I've painted my wall this morning, had a cup of tea and some toast, and am now ready for some F1, hopefully a wet one.