Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:14

Mr Badger said:
"I am a very angry old man.

Angry because of the lies peddled by influential Brexit campaigners, reproduced in right-wing newspapers which one-sidedly fail to report the wealth of sound economic, social and political advice that Britain should remain in the EU.

Angry because of the lack of passion and drive shown in “remain” campaigning by the leadership of the Labour Party, a party which I have supported for years because of its commitment to international peace and solidarity.

Angry because of the appeal Brexit makes to the racist, anti-foreigner “little England” mentality which is still part of the national psyche.

Angry because, at the age of 91, as someone who 72 years ago this month landed in Normandy with the liberation forces, I remember vividly the old Europe of warring factions and am convinced that the EU, for all its need of reform, remains a power for good in the world. For Britain to leave it would open the door to European disintegration and a return to the dangerous nationalisms of the past.

I hope many of my Facebook friends share my anger and will vote accordingly next week."

https://www.facebook.com/eric.jay.737?pnref=story

At 91 what does it matter to you?

Also we don't want to fight the EU we just want freedom to make our own rules and decide democratically our own choices.

My Grandfather fought in the war and he will be spinning in his grave at what the EU is and will become.

You vote in then you voting for losing ever more control of our democratic right of choice.
We have very little choice as it is and you want to relinquish more choice to no bodies.

I thought the old where wise but I guess not.! :rolleyes:

Mynight · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:16

Terminal_Boy said:
If Call Me Dave stays in power, we'll have the Euro before the next GE.

Right in time for the collapse of the Spanish economy to drag the whole sorry mess down the pan.

Has there been any kind of news about this or is it speculation?

Mr Badger · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:21

itchy said:
You vote in then you voting for losing ever more control of our democratic right of choice.

Vote out and (following the inevitable night of the long knives) the country gets an extreme right wing Tory government with Boris at the head. Did the majority of the UK democratically say that is what they want?

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:23

Mynight said:
Even if we do stay in I highly doubt it will lead to such an issue especially in 2 years.

The amount that want an ever closer union is probably a minority compare to the the ones who like things as they are(no I don't have figures).

I don't see us ever adopting the Euro unless the pound crashes but at that point I think we'll have bigger issues than learning to say Euro rather than Pound.

OH they have a big bloody big list awaiting us post June 23rd if we remain, I can assure you.

You think you have a choice but you don't, either remain or out. The point is that we need to make a stand as a people to say, hey we had enough at the moment lets take a breather and see what happens.

You vote in you are up a creek without a paddle.

Your choice deal with it.

toshj · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:24

itchy said:
At 91 what does it matter to you?

That's a pretty classless, desperate and puerile thing to say.

[TW]Fox · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:24

Terminal_Boy said:
If Call Me Dave stays in power, we'll have the Euro before the next GE.

Right in time for the collapse of the Spanish economy to drag the whole sorry mess down the pan.

And you guys moan about scaremongering!

Mr Jack · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:26

Mynight said:
Has there been any kind of news about this or is it speculation?

It's not speculation; it completely fabricated scaremongering.

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:27

Mr Badger said:
Vote out and (following the inevitable night of the long knives) the country gets an extreme right wing Tory government with Boris at the head. Did the majority of the UK democratically say that is what they want?

What is it with this right wing rhetoric? :confused:

Right or left I don't care nor do I understand the nuances of what right or left represents.

Point is I don't want some fat cat unelected bureaucratic retard deciding what is right for me and my country.

Is that not what we fought the war for, to not be controlled by unelected and unaccountable people??? :confused:

Mynight · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:27

itchy said:
OH they have a big bloody big list awaiting us post June 23rd if we remain, I can assure you.

You think you have a choice but you don't, either remain or out. The point is that we need to make a stand as a people to say, hey we had enough at the moment lets take a breather and see what happens.

You vote in you are up a creek without a paddle.

Your choice deal with it.

No offense but you can't assure ****. Unless you have inside knowledge...

Actually I do have a choice if voting in leads to something that I just can't handle well I can move. Quite simple really.

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:31

toshj said:
That's a pretty classless, desperate and puerile thing to say.

Then he should not gloat about his age and being in the war to make his argument have more meaning. Also posting a FB link. :rolleyes:

I digress!

Mr Jack · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:32

b0redj0rd said:
What % of British Law is EU influenced?

The only useful thing in that document is this:

It is immensely difficult to accurately quantify the impact of EU legislation. Research that tries to do so is always highly disputed. As the House of Commons paper notes, EU olive and tobacco growing legislation has almost no effect on the UK, yet the laws remain in the body of UK law nevertheless.

The rest of it is utter apples and oranges tosh. Yes, you can add legislative acts to this and that and divide by the other and come up with a percentage but that percentage is utterly and completely meaningless. Why? Because it's not comparing like to like. The overwhelming majority of EU regulations are trivial little things that have little or no impact on our lives; our parliament on the other hand is putting out things that have a real impact on people's lives: legalising gay marriage, the bedroom tax, a top-down re-organisation of the NHS, and so forth. Comparing those to a regulation saying that Gran Riviera is now a geographically protected product or giving a new customs code for 21" flat LED TVs is simply meaningless.

toshj · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:35

itchy said:
Then he should not bloat about his age and being in the war to make his argument have more meaning. Also posting a FB link. I digress!

Like I said, classless.

On your other point, it's one thing having a belief but it's another thing being forced to fight for your life and freedom for that belief. As he made that fight, I don't see anything wrong with him highlighting it - it adds credibility.

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:46

toshj said:
Like I said, classless.

On your other point, it's one thing having a belief but it's another thing being forced to fight for your life and freedom for that belief. As he made that fight, I don't see anything wrong with him highlighting it - it adds credibility.

Credibility diminishes with time. The war was over 60 years ago its irrelevant in this day and age.

We won move on.

Also Germany basically run the EU so its a little illogical and bigotry to say "I fought the Germans in the war but now I support the EU!" :confused:

I just want a little more choice in our democratic society that's all.

Sagalout · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:47

itchy said:
Is that not what we fought the war for, to not be controlled by unelected and unaccountable people???

Err, no. For a start there is no 'we' as 'we' didn't fight a war. Secondly, the country went to war in support of our allies and to stop an invasion of right wing fascists.

B&W · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:53

We can't lock ourselves away from the world and live in our little island paradise and when we need someone we'll just call and they'll help us. Isolation will not work.

Stress on healthcare, school places, council homes is due to mainly poor funding from our government.

Boycey0211 · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:54

The Mad Rapper said:
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You're talking to a brick wall, this is a guy who has preconceived opinions and doesn't listen to facts, other valid opinions or reason. I'd have put him on block by now if he wasn't hilarious to read.

w1lliam · 21 Jun 2016 at 00:57

itchy said:
I just want a little more choice in our democratic society that's all.

So i take it you're going to advocate for change in our own country? Proportional representation and all that for the next GE?

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 01:01

The Mad Rapper said:
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Respect as in to bow down? Because of his age etc etc. :rolleyes:

I have not personally attacked him I am just asking how he can have such a stance in that he fought for what he believes in, yet now is supporting what he fought against? :confused:

Age is irrelevant to me, we are talking about stance and opinion which we are discussing without personal attacks. Which you have resorted to on me but I don't care.

I am not right or left wing and I don't care who gets in government, but what I do care about is choice.

I see staying in the EU will erode what little choice we have.

The Mad Rapper · 21 Jun 2016 at 01:03

itchy said:
Respect as in to bow down? Because of his age etc etc.

I have not personally attacked him I am just asking how he can have such a stance in that he fought for what he believes in, yet now is supporting what he fought against?

Age is irrelevant to me, we are talking about stance and opinion which we are discussing without personal attacks. Which you have resorted to on me but I don't care.

I am not right or left wing and I don't care who gets in government, but what I do care about is choice.

I see staying in the EU will erode what little choice we have.

Why mouth off? And yes because of his age. What's wrong with you?

itchy · 21 Jun 2016 at 01:04

Boycey0211 said:
You're talking to a brick wall, this is a guy who has preconceived opinions and doesn't listen to facts, other valid opinions or reason. I'd have put him on block by now if he wasn't hilarious to read.

Ok then tell me some facts about how the EU is going to help the UK in the long and near term future?

Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

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