Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

Should the United Kingdom remain a member of the European Union or leave the European Union?

  • Remain a member of the European Union

    Votes: 794 45.1%

  • Leave the European Union

    Votes: 965 54.9%
  • Total voters
    1,759
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vincent1989 said:
in a few years I'm going to be putting my son through that, if my wife weren't an outstanding teacher I'd be incredibly concerned about the impact that would be had on my child's chance at an education. Sadly I can't afford to live south of London or send him to a private school.
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Homeschooling?
 
vincent1989 said:
He uses the words peace and security, Tacitus said the same in The Agricola over 2000 years ago 'pax et securitas' for the celts at the hands of the crushingly oppressive bureaucracy that was Rome.

I can't disagree with that veterans opinion but neither can I agree with it. We fought a war about our right to rule ourselves and not be ruled by a dictatorship that didn't share our ideals. Peace and security is great but not at the expense of freedom and democracy
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But you said that was "not what my ancestors have fought for" - you cannot make a blanket statement like that and then try to poo-poo someone from that generation when they are not necessarily pro Brexit by quoting a Roman.

That guy fought in WW2,received a Distinguished Flying Cross and lived during a time of great instability,which you or I have never experienced. You are talking about a theoretical viewpoint,he is talking from a life one. Europe had two massive wars within 30 years which killed tens of millions driven by massive nationalism,so he is does not take the stability for standard which younger people like us do.

So,please don't try to make it sound like older generations support Leave by default - it is not as black and white as you are trying to make it look. Just like younger folk are divided over the issue,the same applies to older folk too.
 
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Someone give me a good reason to stay..

Vote for the status quo, the EU and every country's loyalty to its Plan is now too big to change or at least it will take a long while, every economist will say we're stronger staying in, we all share the same regulations which makes it easier to trade, we have a small say inside but better than out, our service economy won't do as well outside the EU apparently, immigration has boiled over because non EU immigrants have not been curbed, would we feel the same if they were..

In general all Countries inside Europe have voted no confidence for EU, with the exception of Greece most poorer countries thinking the EU is good and the richer countries thinking the EU is bad.. This alone tells us something.

Why is the case for no confidence high for EU from Europeans ?
Greece and the UK share the same contempt percentage and why is that ? David cameron and the media have maybe hurt the perception of the EU by cutting services and not cutting the number of people he is unwilling to support by building enough homes, schools and hospitals because of his support for GDP going up from population increase..
He was right to give people a vote when the public have no confidence now in the EU, that's democratic..

I'm still on the fence, Should i side with the Capitalist EU with its lack of care for Nationalism, Alienating people in certain areas.

Or stay inside the EU with the status quo with a Government on the left and right that think immigration is good for our GDP and hope for a Socialist government that would build more homes, schools and hospitals, getting into further Debt as Capitalists inside the UK and out pull money away from the public purse..
 
vincent1989 said:
We have no choice about who, how many, or how skilled EU immigrants are and that's the problem, we should have a choice, we should make our own decisions. That is what many of my ancestors fought two world wars for.
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"I am a very angry old man.

Angry because of the lies peddled by influential Brexit campaigners, reproduced in right-wing newspapers which one-sidedly fail to report the wealth of sound economic, social and political advice that Britain should remain in the EU.

Angry because of the lack of passion and drive shown in “remain” campaigning by the leadership of the Labour Party, a party which I have supported for years because of its commitment to international peace and solidarity.

Angry because of the appeal Brexit makes to the racist, anti-foreigner “little England” mentality which is still part of the national psyche.

Angry because, at the age of 91, as someone who 72 years ago this month landed in Normandy with the liberation forces, I remember vividly the old Europe of warring factions and am convinced that the EU, for all its need of reform, remains a power for good in the world. For Britain to leave it would open the door to European disintegration and a return to the dangerous nationalisms of the past.

I hope many of my Facebook friends share my anger and will vote accordingly next week."

https://www.facebook.com/eric.jay.737?pnref=story
 
If we want to trade with Europe, we will have to accept the free movement of people. If we don't want free movement of people, we cannot trade with Europe as a whole and hence we will have to negotiate trade deals with individual countries, which will take years, probably at least ten.
 
Woden said:
The £350m is wrong and you know it. The rebate is applued before we pay. If Argos sell a £1000 at 20% off, it's £800, not £1000. I give them £800, not £1000.
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We have to budget 350million per week because we don't know how much of a rebate we will get.

Do you numb skulls realise this?

It isn't a lie. Judging by how poorer other countries are getting in the EU I'll hazard a guess that our rebate will start to drop.

Your example shows your ignorance.
 
I also hazard a guess that 90% of people in this thread have already voted, I'm just praying we get out of the damn thing AND Cameron and Osbourne resign on the 23rd, like they should.
 
Gigabit said:
But we do know how much of a rebate we will get because we're part of the process that decides it :rolleyes:
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What process?

EDIT: I won't be responding so save your ****e for someone else. Vote done, hoping the rest of Britain know the actual beast that is the EU. Thread debate over for me.
 
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What % of British Law is EU influenced?

7% or 75%? The definitive answer to the EU’s influence over British law

https://forbritain.org/percentagelaws.pdf

Our research finds:

 Between 1993 and 2014, 64.7 per cent of UK law can be deemed to be EU-influenced. EU regulations accounted for 59.3 per cent of all UK law. UK laws implementing EU directives accounted for 5.4 per cent.

 This body of legislation consists of 49,699 exclusively ‘EU’ regulations and 4,532 UK measures which implement EU directives.

 This figure is important because EU regulations are transposed into national law without passing through Parliament. Hence, they do not appear in the recent calculation by the House of Commons Library which estimates the proportion of EU legislation at 13.3 per cent.3 The 13.3 per cent figure is a huge underestimate of the amount of ‘EU’ law introduced into the UK.


An interesting document, give it a read if it is of interest.
 
Do people voting in think, lets just take a step back and see what we can do on our own.

I don't want a fight or a battle with anyone I am a pacifist personally, so take a step back take a big deep breath and see what we can come up with.

Voting in is going to kill us as a nation and as a people.

Lets call it a hiatus in a relationship, then we see where it will go.

The EU are going to take us the cleaners if we vote in that's for sure, as it will give them the clear go ahead for more reform and integration. I know for a fact!

Call me out in 2 years if am wrong! ;)
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
So,please don't try to make it sound like older generations support Leave by default - it is not as black and white as you are trying to make it look.
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I never claimed to be speaking for everyone, or suggesting it was a black and white issue. I referred specifically to my ancestors and used words like 'many'.

I also said I can't claim to speak for him and he has his opinion and he's entitled to it. Myself and others disagree. That's the beauty of democracy though and that's why I want to leave because I value democracy above a faux peace at the hands of individuals I can't hold to account.
 
Gigabit said:
If we want to trade with Europe, we will have to accept the free movement of people. If we don't want free movement of people, we cannot trade with Europe as a whole and hence we will have to negotiate trade deals with individual countries, which will take years, probably at least ten.
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It's rubbish to say you need a trade deal to trade with Europe. We trade with countries outside of Europe perfectly find without a trade deal and unfortunately because of the EU we can't have a trade deal with some of our biggest and more rapidly growing trade partners.

If they want to hurt themselves let's trade with them sans a trade deal and get some deals going with larger or more rapidly growing global neighbours.
 
itchy said:
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Call me out in 2 years if am wrong! ;)
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Even if we do stay in I highly doubt it will lead to such an issue especially in 2 years.

The amount that want an ever closer union is probably a minority compare to the the ones who like things as they are(no I don't have figures).

I don't see us ever adopting the Euro unless the pound crashes but at that point I think we'll have bigger issues than learning to say Euro rather than Pound.
 
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