Poll: The EU Referendum: How Will You Vote? (June Poll)

[Efour]

Are the Brexiters gonna be butt hurt enough to do something to British Politics if the UK remains ? Or will you just go quiet like good Brits and behave and conform again? Just like those loud Scots that suddenly vanished in a puddle of tears.

If the UK leaves ill probably end up getting dual citizenship with Sweden so really it will mean nothing to me on a personal level.

POlease dont vote UKIP in though, that would be so embarrassing.

 

[doofer]

I've seen that posted a few times. It doesn't really tell us much, do it? It's not saying which areas support Bremain or Brexit... just how people are Googling about it. So they're eg. Googling 'why should we leave the EU?' most of the time, rather than 'why should we stay in the EU?', right?

Well, considering it is derived from actual 'real' Data it clearly shows a rather large discrepancy to all of those 'Polls' that show it as a close run thing (+/- 2-3%), these 'Polls' being a survey of at best a few thousand people and then given a statistical formula to give supposed 'Accurate' results. If that indeed were the case surely the Google Data Map would be far more colourful than almost all red.

 

[sityeuropa]

If we don't, maybe another country may have the bottle to leave and start the domino effect.

Is there a stigma to leaving still? In that poll booth will people be a bit more wild? The polls could be so wrong yet again.

 

[bam0]

I know many more people North of London than South of who are or have voted leave precisely because they see and deal with the impact of unchecked, unintegrated, immigration, It'll be interesting to see the final statistics and breakdown of what ever result is returned.

I feel these people have been sold a lie, I don't dispute what they've seen, but the cause of their issues is government policy or rather a failure of it. It's not like these people all turned up at once as a huge surprise it's been happening for years and labour, coalition and conservative governments have failed to tackle the impact of immigration. But the EU isn't the problem, more people are coming here from outside the EU than within it, numbers we have full control over which can only mean it's intentional. This level of migration is apparently desirable, they just don't want to spend the money to support the infrastructure needs of a larger population.
Leaving the EU would give us control over the whole number of immigrants, but given the above why do we think it would reduce?

 

[opethdisciple]

Brexit would be good for the UK if the EU dissolved at the same time, but this wont happen.

If we split from the EU we are leaving a HUGE union to play it solo. It will be us vs them.

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Also people arguing about sovereignty if we remain... Great we give more power to David Cameron to come up with his fantastical ideas.

Things like the 'Digital Economy Bill' and Mass Survielance (ala NSA via GCHQ) surely at some point the EU has had an influence on it's policies making it less and less like the nonsense that the Conservatives wanted in the first place.

 

[clv101]

Isn't it obvious that people are far more likely to Google leaving rather than remaining? Everyone knows about remain, it's the status quo.

 

[Uther]

Isn't it obvious that people are far more likely to Google leaving rather than remaining? Everyone knows about remain, it's the status quo.

Its not a status quo though, the EU is constantly evolving, and not necessarily the way some people want.

 

[Andromeda1983]

The one thing ive noticed in the last couple of weeks regarding the polls, most of them use a vsmall amount of people which tends to favor remain but the bigger polls show a pull towards leave. Anyway if leave is going to win its going to come down to turnout and in that area I think brexit has a strong advantage as leavers tend to be more passionate and likely to vote.

I vote out

 

[Terminal_Boy]

Isn't it obvious that people are far more likely to Google leaving rather than remaining? Everyone knows about remain, it's the status quo.

Nope, there is no "status quo" option. It's "out" or "closer union leading to adoption of Euro".

Read everything Junker has said recently.

 

[sprite1275]

I had the chance to speak to my parents in Brighton yesterday and was unsurprised to hear that they're voting to remain, not surprising as they're also longtime green voters. I also had the chance to visit my Grandparents in Birmingham who will vote to leave, again, unsurprising as they've seen their once friendly neighbourhood turn in to a predominantly non-english, non-friendly neighbourhood. They voted in favour of the free trade agreement all those years ago but regret it now. They know they were lied to about exactly what it was they were buying in to.

It highlighted to me just how divided the country is north and south of London. Or in other words the rich and the poor. I'm convinced if my brother, still living at home, were going to schools where the teachers are having to spend disproportionate time teaching EAL children whose parents aren't interested in educating them in anything other than their home language then the opinion of the wealthy (and those living in wealthy areas) would be different.

My wife recently quit teaching after over ten years after having been both a subject and year group leader and the pressure in Northampton is intolerable, in her most recent class, which often exceeded the max class size, between 1/4 to 1/3 of the class struggled to engage because they're not from the UK or English speaking countries and their parents frequently take them out of school, often for months, to go back home to visit relatives. This adversely affects the interests of all children in the class. in a few years I'm going to be putting my son through that, if my wife weren't an outstanding teacher I'd be incredibly concerned about the impact that would be had on my child's chance at an education. Sadly I can't afford to live south of London or send him to a private school.

I know many more people North of London than South of who are or have voted leave precisely because they see and deal with the impact of unchecked, unintegrated, immigration, It'll be interesting to see the final statistics and breakdown of what ever result is returned.

This. I feel most remain voters don't see any of this.

 

[clv101]

Nope, there is no "status quo" option. It's "out" or "closer union leading to adoption of Euro".

Read everything Junker has said recently.

In terms of Googling though, it's clear to me that there's far more to Google about the Leaving than Remaining!

 

[Efour]

Nope, there is no "status quo" option. It's "out" or "closer union leading to adoption of Euro".

Read everything Junker has said recently.

if that was remotely true the brexit campaign would be on it like a tramp on chips.
Nothing scarier to Brits than losing the precious Pound Sterling.

 

[Andromeda1983]

It honestly doesn't help the UK that Osborne needs the cheap low skilled workforce to come from the EU so he can balance the books.

 

[vincent1989]

I feel these people have been sold a lie, I don't dispute what they've seen, but the cause of their issues is government policy or rather a failure of it. It's not like these people all turned up at once as a huge surprise it's been happening for years and labour, coalition and conservative governments have failed to tackle the impact of immigration. But the EU isn't the problem, more people are coming here from outside the EU than within it, numbers we have full control over which can only mean it's intentional. This level of migration is apparently desirable, they just don't want to spend the money to support the infrastructure needs of a larger population.
Leaving the EU would give us control over the whole number of immigrants, but given the above why do we think it would reduce?

I don't disagree, the whole thing has been horribly mismanaged by successive governments for the last 20+ years.

I do think that any government not taking immigration as a serious issue now risks more than just losing their jobs as we do the perpetual dance between our two leading parties, we have seen over the weekend with the unfortunate death of an MP that 'the people' are willing to go to extremes which we haven't seen in this country in our lifetime. Whether the actions of one man are indicative of the lengths people are willing to go to there is undeniably a backlash against the policies of the status quo.

Irrespective of that you could argue that as those coming from outside the EU have to meet certain criteria, other than country of origin. As a result they are more likely to be here as net contributors rather than net drains and also more likely to integrate which seems to me to be the difference between those who came from the colonies post WWII to help rebuild and staff the then new NHS and those immigrants who come from the EU now, whose countries publish newspapers detailing the benefits they can claim once here and how to go about doing so. And we have the choice and ability to vote in or out people who could do something about immigration from countries external to the EU. We have no choice about who, how many, or how skilled EU immigrants are and that's the problem, we should have a choice, we should make our own decisions. That is what many of my ancestors fought two world wars for.

 

[HaX]

I posted this in response to a Pro Remain post that my middle class cousin shared on Facebook. He's a typical middle class lefty, lives in a nice house, which he purchased before the 97-2007 housing boom.

Although I'm strongly in favour of a united Europe, I'm leaning towards Brexit, and am not enthused at the prospect of remaining in the EU in it's current form.

I have nothing but admiration for the people who come here. My leaning towards "Brexit" is not driven by fear, hatred or Xenophobia, but merely a concern that living standards and working conditions are maintained for the poorest in society.

Until we have harmonised wages, living and working conditions across all EU member states, for many people in this country, it will be a race to the bottom. Although the minimum wage sets a floor for wages, it does not off-set the inevitable rise in housing costs, driven by a housing shortage, exacerbated in part by immigration. The net result, a reduction in quality of life, particularly for those who are poorest.

It amazes me that so many socialists are essentially subscribing to what is essentially a capitalist's wet dream ; using the free movement of people from very poor countries as a means to undermine wages, drive consumption, and inflate asset prices and yields (house prices/rents).

Normally, he has quite a lot to say for himself, though this was all he could put in response ;

There was never any doubt about me voting to remain. I'm a committed and proud European and have been for many years. My postal vote went in weeks ago.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

That is what many of my ancestors fought two world wars for.

Not all think the same though:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...pe-that-i-fought-for-and-my-comrades-died-for

It is helpful to be old, for in my lifetime I have seen world population increase threefold; a stable seasonal climate become wildly unstable with drought, forest fires and floods; the pollution by humanity of the planet’s earth, air and waters to a stage where all life is threatened; and violence become a permanent, continuous tragedy in a world of great uncertainty.

The only stable community in this universal upheaval has been the European Union, formed from the wreckage of a continent for which I and millions of others fought six years of war. I write as a former airman, having flown well over 2,000 hours against three despotic enemy nations. That victory for the democracies has given Europe 70 years of peace and security in a widely unstable world. The “leave” chancers are campaigning to abandon this steady progress, citing values false or irrelevant, while they have no plan of what to do after jumping ship.


If the nation should fall for this deceit I can only conclude that the lives of my comrades – Irish, Scots, Welsh and English – were lost in vain. They will be rattling their bones, wherever in the world they fell, at the loss of the beliefs for which they fought.

Britain in Europe will enhance progress to higher values in the greater world; Britain out means a return to the early-20th-century chaos of warring states against each other.

I am 96. I remember how far we have come. I know what we stand to lose.
Franklin Medhurst, DFC (RAF 1939-46)
Carlton, County Durham

 

[Efour]

This. I feel most remain voters don't see any of this.

So its almost IDENTICAL to the North - South divide that dominates the Uk already for thew past 250 years?

My god what a surprise! Newsflash. Poorer people lose always. In or out of EU you lose, and by poor i mean anyone surviving just enough to pay a mortgage and put food on the table with 1 week in Ibiza every year.

 

[Andromeda1983]

Even though I support leave I do think immigration is good for the UK. Being able to source some of the best the world has to offer and incentive them to work in the UK is a great part of keeping our country strong. However what is causing so much uproar and hatred is the influx of a large amount of unskilled workers who are looking for work.

The unskilled workers from Europe come here because the amount of money they can make here even if employers pay them less than british workers dwarves the amount of money they could make in their own country and the national living wage is only going to compound that problem.

 

[itchy]

My god what a surprise! Newsflash. Poorer people lose always. In or out of EU you lose, and by poor i mean anyone surviving just enough to pay a mortgage and put food on the table with 1 week in Ibiza every year.

I take it you don't know the meaning of poor!

If we vote in I personally cannot wait till I see (in metaphorical terms of course) the lid of my coffin.

 

[vincent1989]

Not all think the same though:

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...pe-that-i-fought-for-and-my-comrades-died-for

He uses the words peace and security, Tacitus said the same in The Agricola over 2000 years ago 'pax et securitas' for the celts at the hands of the crushingly oppressive bureaucracy that was Rome.

He suggests that Europe has bee stable and free of the wars of the twentieth century but the truth is that the EU or its constituent parts have still lurched from one war to the next in an almost comical parody of 1984 where we send men to fight over scraps of land that no one had ever heard of for little/no gain against an enemy whose name is always changing and who switches from friend to enemy at farcical regularity. The ridiculous european wars of the twentieth century never stopped, they just got pushed further out.

I can't disagree with that veterans opinion but neither can I agree with it. We fought a war about our right to rule ourselves and not be ruled by a dictatorship that didn't share our ideals. Peace and security is great but not at the expense of freedom and democracy.