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*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

~>Dg<~;30484990 said:
yes that alone should halt the hype train.if they were are that fast they would have a shed load of boards ready to shift.

now they have none or little ready.what does that tell you :p
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It tells us absolutely nothing.
 
Panos;30484686 said:
MSI, Biostar haven't made any negative declaration yet about X300 mITX boards.

Gigabyte, Asrock and Asus have said they will produce them, only if the Ryzen CPU sales are good enough.
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Well I hope MSI and Biostar blindside those shortsighted buggers with some nicely spec'd itx boards at launch and take all that custom.
 
eddyr;30485082 said:
Well I hope MSI and Biostar blindside those shortsighted buggers with some nicely spec'd itx boards at launch and take all that custom.
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I really hope so - there only needs to be ONE decentish mini-ITX motherboard out there at launch or soon after. AMD then needs to show a nice custom PC build with it using a Fury Nano,etc and it shows AMD can do a decent SFF system.

Moreover,its excellent PR to show AMD CPUs and graphics cards don't need "nuclear reactors" or "run as hot as the sun" or similar comments I have seen in the past about their products.

Intel won't have any real answer to that unless they find a way to make a socket 2011 motherboard which is mini-ITX for way less than the £270 which the cheapest one costs which also needs a nice big southbridge.
 
~>Dg<~;30484990 said:
yes that alone should halt the hype train.if they were are that fast they would have a shed load of boards ready to shift.

now they have none or little ready.what does that tell you :p
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They had 16 high end boards at CES. It's just the ITX factor and choosers that are not on a roll yet.
 
Nutella33;30485098 said:
They had 16 high end boards at CES. It's just the ITX factor and choosers that are not on a roll yet.
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Thats the thing - so many full sized motherboards and not ONE mini-ITX one.

Seriously,Intel has nothing they can do about a Ryzen 8C/16T CPU in a mini-ITX system.

Intel has far more leeway to adjust prices,etc to target Ryzen in normal ATX systems.

The socket 2011 mini-ITX motherboards are rare,expensive and probably more difficult to engineer than their socket 1151 counterparts.

Ryzen being an SOC means its perfect for a mini-ITX motherboard - not only for an SFF gaming PC,but for things like a compact server,a system for virtualisation,etc.

Why AMD,why do you do such things?? Such a missed opportunity.

:(

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Thats the thing - any platform advantages X99 has over AM4 won't be that useful in a mini-ITX system either,ie,more PCI-E lanes,or SATA ports,etc.
 
Not bad if true.

http://www.shopblt.com/search/order_id=!ORDERID!&s_max=25&t_all=1&s_all=AMD+AM4&search=Search

UK Prices - £480, £375, £310 (1800X, 1700X, 1700)

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//CAT-THE-FIFTH - good point, cheers
 
That would mean 6C/12T for £200 to £250 then,and 4C/8T possibly below £200.

If AMD can get to Haswell/Broadwell level IPC,it would be a very good deal!!

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That also includes a competent stock cooler too AFAIK.
 
RavenXXX2;30485182 said:
So the x chips have smt and non x not?
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I think X might indicate an unlocked multiplier?? The non-X is a lower TDP chip and looking at previous AMD CPU launches,the lower TDP versions tend to be locked although there have been some exceptions like the 65W TDP A10 7860K for example.
 
Hmm, didn't the 1800X had 105W TDP not 95W, as it was more the overclocking & extreme cooling CPU, according to AMD?

CAT-THE-FIFTH;30485189 said:
I think X might indicate an unlocked multiplier?? The non-X is a lower TDP chip and looking at previous AMD CPU launches,the lower TDP versions tend to be locked although there have been some exceptions like the 65W TDP A10 7860K for example.
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All Ryzen have unlocked multiplier. The mobo chipset is the definitive restriction on overclocking.
Saying that from the pics above, it looks like the limit factor is the TDP of the chip how far it will overclock or how much power can accept

Anyhow, £600 going to be bargain, £500 the steal of the century and hoping AMD makes money out of them and not selling them at loss...... :D
Also if all is true with perf and prices, it shows that Intel should be reported to the EU Commission for fraud investigation, given it's prices all those years.
 
So thats not £250 for the 8 thread CPU then? :D

:P

If true and the performance is there this will put chills down Intel spine.
 
Holy mother of Christ if the 3.7 GHz 8c/16t SKU is around £300 Intel are gonna be forced to do something drastic to their lineup. Unless of course they don't clock well or AMD's IPC demos have been misleading to some degree.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH;30485189 said:
I think X might indicate an unlocked multiplier?? The non-X is a lower TDP chip and looking at previous AMD CPU launches,the lower TDP versions tend to be locked although there have been some exceptions like the 65W TDP A10 7860K for example.
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I thought all zen were unlocked according to AMD.

Panos;30485192 said:
Hmm, didn't the 1800X had 105W TDP not 95W, as it was more the overclocking & extreme cooling CPU, according to AMD?
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Reputable site so looks legit.
 
DragonQ;30485202 said:
Holy mother of Christ if the 3.7 GHz 8c/16t SKU is under £300 Intel are gonna be forced to do something drastic to their lineup. Unless of course they don't clock well or AMD's IPC demos have been misleading to some degree.
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CPC indicated it at Haswell/Broadwell level IPC.

But TBH an 8C/16T CPU even if it was "only" Haswell level IPC and ran at 3.4GHZ~3.7GHZ is still pretty good going for £300 especially if it is a 65W TDP jobbie.
 
It's almost like people can't critically think at all.

Again, simple comparison, RX480 + 8GB gddr5(guess around £20) as well as the AIB taking a decent cut of that profit, these sell for £220. How do people think smaller cores than that HAVE to cost £400+?

At those prices, IF accurate, AMD has a very healthy profit, though unlike Intel, they have debt that needs servicing and have spent a lot on recent R&D to develop Zen. AMD need to pay off debt, increase R&D spending for GPU and the the next architecture after Zen(which work will start on pretty much now), so there is a reason for higher prices. THese also work at ~4Ghz at 95W, so yields will likely be lower than gpus at @1.3Ghz and 150W.


I'm both not convinced on pricing, though it's precisely what I thought, one model at least under £300, but AMD has a history of pushing out higher prices than they actually intend. The reasoning for that is to stop Intel/Nvidia doing a price cut right before launch to make the products appear less good value when AMD launch. I remember specifically a couple AMD gpus which Gibbo told me I was definitely wrong on pricing(from what I'd heard) because the earlier pricing handed out was higher on purpose, when the card came out it was a good step below what Gibbo said.

I was actually thinking more like £200 ex vat for an 8 core, circa £250 inc vat for a 'full' part. I might not buy at launch if £300 is the pricing and wait for it to come down a little.
 
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