*** AMD "Zen" thread (inc AM4/APU discussion) ***

[opethdisciple]

Do we have any real guesess what the difference are between these two:

1700X --- 469.99 = £400

1700 --- 389.95 = £333

Are they both 8/16 thread? What does the X bit mean?

 

[mmj_uk]

My guess would be the X (eXtreme?) are unlocked but from what people have been saying all of them will be unlocked...

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

From what I read on another forum,the top SKU has a 105W TDP. So its quite possible its a leakier part which can hit higher clockspeeds??

Edit!!

Having said that AMD has had a tendency to launch many SKUs which are unlocked at once. Look at the FX8320 and FX8350 for example:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6396/the-vishera-review-amd-fx8350-fx8320-fx6300-and-fx4300-tested

 

[opethdisciple]

If the 1700X is an 8/16 thread chip, I imagine it will be the sweet spot for the high end. I.e the alternative to a 7700k or 6800k.

 

[DaZzZa]

I thought all AMD CPUs were unlocked black version or not ???

 

[StarShock]

The x is likely to have a slightly higher stock clock and might be binned like the old back ones. So have the best OC headroom? Maybe?

 

[orbitalwalsh]

Main thread got locked (feel free to move moderator), so...

Not bad, but I await to see how they actually perform before getting excited about this.

God bless the Spaniard for this. Big risk with its NDA
Made my day seeing this. Been so long since an AMD core has been in any rig I've had ;(

Be interesting to see a pole on here of what core count would interest people more. 6/12 for me

 

[opethdisciple]

The affordable 8/16

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Looks like Ryzen is made by Samsung - AFAIK GF has no 14MM fab in the US,but Samsung does.

Edit!!

Might be wrong about that - forgot that GF had a fab there too.

 

[Harlequin]

Looks like Ryzen is made by Samsung - AFAIK GF has no 14MM fab in the US,but Samsung does.

Edit!!

Might be wrong about that - forgot that GF had a fab there too.

http://www.globalfoundries.com/about/manufacturing

new York does 14nm (Samsung process)

 

[Panos]

I thought all AMD CPUs were unlocked black version or not ???

All Ryzen are unlocked.

And if true the pricing, want to put pre-order for retail 1800X NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


My 6700K going to be handed over to my brother. It will be worthless on the second hand market.....

 

[humbug]

Snip#

My 6700K going to be handed over to my brother. It will be worthless on the second hand market.....

lol ^^^^

My 4690K is worth about 50p now

 

[KentMan]

Looks like Ryzen is made by Samsung - AFAIK GF has no 14MM fab in the US,but Samsung does.

Edit!!

Might be wrong about that - forgot that GF had a fab there too.

Hmm that Chip

Z= QS
D= Desktop
340 = 3.4ghz Base Frequency
6 = Model Revision number
BA = 95w
M = AM4
8 = 8 Physical Cores
8 = 4MB L2 Cache + 16MB L3 Cache
F4 = B Stepping

The blacked out bits i assume are the Boost Frequency and Base Frequency

According to this http://imgur.com/a/lb8A6

 

[~>Dg<~]

All Ryzen are unlocked.

And if true the pricing, want to put pre-order for retail 1800X NOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW


My 6700K going to be handed over to my brother. It will be worthless on the second hand market.....

why will it be worthless ?

you not seen any benchmarks.just because something 8 core doesnt mean its even quicker than your cpu overall.you only have to look at the older amd cpus to see that.anyone selling stuff now is daft.

 

[Panos]

why will it be worthless ?

you not seen any benchmarks.just because something 8 core doesnt mean its even quicker than your cpu overall.you only have to look at the older amd cpus to see that.anyone selling stuff now is daft.

Wait 3 weeks

Cannot write a whole essay atm about IPC, cores, comparison etc.
Especially when is been beaten to death over the 180 pages of this thread, and numerous other threads.

I will hold to two points.

a) Ryzen IPC with SENSE OFF looks in par with the Broadwel-E IPC. So with SENSE ON who knows.....

b) Double the amount of cores on a similarly few % deficit IPC is still double the amount of cores. We aren't talking about Bulldozer IPC here compared to Haswell or SB/IB.
And if overclocks well, which AMD is closing the eye on that, then we are looking for a great product. Hell if it overclocks above 4.4 going to be fantastic. Which is the Intel limit for their Broadwel-E CPUs before they start melting.

 

[orbitalwalsh]

First raw data will be released directly by AMD on launch day themselves. Notbsure how quick hardware sites and vendors will be able to release their own version on events.
Shames, amd could have laid a good foundation to the hype but leaving right to launch date.

So far looking at boards, MSI titanium is matching its Intel counterparty, lot of others backed down, Gigabyte, Asus etc, wonder how quickly a Gaming 7, Apex will be launched if AMD has produced an Intel spanker.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

Not seen much on the mini-ITX motherboard front - has there been any more recent news on the AM4 mini-ITX motherboards yet??

 

[StarShock]

Not seen much on the mini-ITX motherboard front - has there been any more recent news on the AM4 mini-ITX motherboards yet??

looks like they not going to be available at launch. We broke the news here this morning.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30481690&postcount=87

 

[Beren]

4ghz base clocks at launch for the top version... I wonder if just like the 8320 we are going to see a lot of very lucky people with half decent coolers manage to achieve a 4ghz+ overclock on the lower priced parts.

*Cough* Overclockers Dream *Cough* - Sorry just kidding, but I am definitely on the hype train now. We have watched this go from a 3ghz to a 4ghz chip since December and we still don't know what it boosts to. If it really does deliver on IPC as we think it might this is one seriously impressive development by AMD.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

looks like they not going to be available at launch. We broke the news here this morning.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=30481690&postcount=87

That pretty much counts AMD out for me for the time-being. I really hope this does not follow other AMD launches where the mini-ITX motherboards don't get released for yonks.



Edit!!

Anyway thanks for the link.