XBOX ONE Official Thread

K1LLSW1TCH · 27 May 2013 at 16:19

wannabedamned said:
You never go full retard =\

To be honest it seems negative publicity gets people talking/arguing. More so than positive.

The worst thing to attack Sony over currently is the lack of a console unveiling. If there was more to pick on, I'm sure the thread over there would be much bigger.

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Negative publicity definitely gets more attention than positive but I think the Playstation 4 thread size is due to the fact that nobody really made an official thread until a few weeks ago, up until then we were all using the rumours thread.

ps3ud0 · 27 May 2013 at 16:47

wannabedamned said:
If there was more to pick on, I'm sure the thread over there would be much bigger.

It was big, but the thread on the PS4 was over a fair few months ago. Some random thought they would get extra cool points by starting a new one, some hailed him as a hero

ps3ud0

djkav · 27 May 2013 at 17:03

ps3ud0 said:
It was big, but the thread on the PS4 was over a fair few months ago. Some random thought they would get extra cool points by starting a new one, some hailed him as a hero

ps3ud0

There was an even earlier thread on both earlier than that. Both the official PS4 and Xbox One were started same day. The Xbox One is bigger because more people are being vocal about not being happy, on what they seen so far.

Then theres also a lot of bickering and off topic stuff flying around here too. Surprised the mods haven't been in to clean it all out

jamesy505 · 27 May 2013 at 17:05

Shamikebab said:
No games are upwards of £40, unless they're special accessories (guitar hero etc)

Also you don't have to buy games on release day, games are dropping in price fairly quickly, you can usually get games £20 ish after 2/4 weeks.

If you find the same scenario with Xbox One games 2/4 weeks after release then please let me know.

I agree now that is the case, and I have bought two copies of games (Halo 4 and Halo Wars) so we can play together, but if prices drop like you expect then the whole "cant share" point will be moot, as im sure 2/4 weeks after new Xbox One releases we can buy new at half price, then we'll all be happier than we expect to be at this moment.

antijoke · 27 May 2013 at 17:57

Do we even think prices will drop if MS are ultimately controlling prices?

The more I think about the more I think I'll get a PS4....price depending.

jamesy505 · 27 May 2013 at 18:04

anticonscience said:
Do we even think prices will drop if MS are ultimately controlling prices?

The more I think about the more I think I'll get a PS4....price depending.

No, I dont think prices will drop.

I have a feeling the PS4 will have similar constraints, just that Sony havent announced them yet

CliffyBiro · 27 May 2013 at 18:05

Australia has joined Germany in critisising the Xbox One as being a "surveillance device".

Macro · 27 May 2013 at 18:12

anticonscience said:
Do we even think prices will drop if MS are ultimately controlling prices?

The more I think about the more I think I'll get a PS4....price depending.

Both companies have said they will allow pre owned games but neither have given any detail on the requirements for activation codes etc. MS is getting the heat at the moment but Sony said much the same stuff back in February.

Shuhei Yoshida said in February: On activation codes for secondhand PS4 titles: It's a publisher decision. We are not talking about it. Sorry.

PlayStation UK Managing Director Fergal Gara was asked to confirm reports of Yoshida's earlier "used games are OK" statements, his answer was a bit less than reassuring for potential PS4 buyers.

"Well, first of all, we haven't stated that second-hand games... we haven’t made a statement on the second-hand games question," Gara said. "The answer to the pre-owned question isn’t clarified just yet and we’re working through that and we’ll announce our position in more detail as and when we can."

I think it's fair to make the inference that both companies have systems in place to allow DRM and although both have said they will allow pre owned games neither has highlighted if there may be restrictions. It's noticeable that Sony haven't taken the opportunity post MS press release to come out and categorically say they will have no restrictions, activation codes or fees for shared/pre owned games.

MOOGLEYS · 27 May 2013 at 18:22

Xbox one has approx %40 less GPU performance than PS4. I feel this is going to really hurt MS. It seems MS realises it cannot compete with the PS4 as a gaming device and is trying to compete with the likes of Apple having an all in one device. Jack of all master of none comes to mind. I really think MS are going to struggle with Xbox one which is a shame. They seem to have got it completely wrong when it was so simple to get right.

Macro · 27 May 2013 at 18:32

MOOGLEYS said:
Xbox one has approx %40 less GPU performance than PS4. I feel this is going to really hurt MS. It seems MS realises it cannot compete with the PS4 as a gaming device and is trying to compete with the likes of Apple having an all in one device. Jack of all master of none comes to mind. I really think MS are going to struggle with Xbox one which is a shame. They seem to have got it completely wrong when it was so simple to get right.

Maybe, dunno it sort of depends on the size of the dedicated gaming hardcore market and the larger home entertainment market (and to be honest I have no idea). If as MS have said the Xbox has 8 times the graphical power of 360 so it's not as if it can't do games. If they retained 75% of current Xbox owners and added a significant amount of casual gamers/gadget/av market it could still outsell the current gen console.

Dunno, it'll be interesting to see though once facts start coming through. Once we got past page 2 of this thread almost the entirety is made up of rumour, speculation and imagination. For example, one report from someone in Game UK said MS will charge £35 for a used game, another report on Polygon said they has spoken to someone in the Xbox team at MS and they had confirmed there would be no charge for pre owned games. take your pick.

We just don't know at the moment. *shrug* It might be a good idea for MS to get it's finger out though and actually start clarifying some of this stuff, although I suspect they are in a game of chicken with Sony to see who commits to doing something first that lets the other appear a white knight come to save the gamers.

phil_t98 · 27 May 2013 at 19:00

Has anybody though that not charging for second hand games could hurt Sony, if Microsoft stick to there guns and charge then surly games developers will want to develop more for Xbox one as there guaranteed to get more money from there games rather than the ps4

ps3ud0 · 27 May 2013 at 19:18

phil_t98 said:
Has anybody though that not charging for second hand games could hurt Sony, if Microsoft stick to there guns and charge then surly games developers will want to develop more for Xbox one as there guaranteed to get more money from there games rather than the ps4

Depends what you mean by 'develop more', if we take the simple assumption that each has 50% of the market and the same number of gamers buy the game new; and 'develop more' means platform exclusivity (cant see how else preference to one platform would equate to when its monetisation of used games thats the differential) then thats a hell of load of second hand games that need to be sold (basically every new game sold needs to be resold) to make up the loss of all those new games being sold on the PS4 platform...

I just dont think that is something that developers would stomach, especially as those second hand sales are more than likely to trickle through over a longer period of time too (they could also not be as valuable due to reduced used pricing over time but same thing happens to new games), though on the flip side that means a longer period of time where that game is making them money - guess that depends what KPIs they work to...

ps3ud0 :cool:

aj casey · 27 May 2013 at 19:24

phil_t98 said:
Has anybody though that not charging for second hand games could hurt Sony, if Microsoft stick to there guns and charge then surly games developers will want to develop more for Xbox one as there guaranteed to get more money from there games rather than the ps4

Good point but could go both ways.Xbox sells badly because of second hand thing developers sell less games and less profit.

Edz · 27 May 2013 at 19:30

phil_t98 said:
Has anybody though that not charging for second hand games could hurt Sony, if Microsoft stick to there guns and charge then surly games developers will want to develop more for Xbox one as there guaranteed to get more money from there games rather than the ps4

It could and I think Sony will have no choice but to follow suit, but tbh I think Developers might be just as disappointed in new game sales as a lot gamers fund new game purchasesdue through trading games in.

What I hope Sony don't do is expect a slice of the fee, like Microsoft. It really shows how little they respect us....

FoxEye · 27 May 2013 at 19:33

XBox won't sell badly, despite everything. It's guaranteed to be huge in the US. And I'm sure it'll be on a lot of Christmas lists over here too.

craptakular · 27 May 2013 at 19:39

Macro · 27 May 2013 at 19:45

Edz said:
It could and I think Sony will have no choice but to follow suit, but tbh I think Developers might be just as disappointed in new game sales as a lot gamers fund new game purchasesdue through trading games in.

What I hope Sony don't do is expect a slice of the fee, like Microsoft. It really shows how little they respect us....

I think the longer term picture is going to be digital downloads. Both MS and Sony have stores, in fact Sony I seem to remember have said all games will be available to buy as an online download. Don't forget Sony were actually the first to say no pre owned and then backtracked a little to say you will be able to play pre owned but didn't rule out charges etc.

Once you get away from physical media (which seems to be the long term result for both platforms, be it one year or five) the sales model changes. You only have to look at Steam on the PC (no resale whatsoever for games) and Apps stores like Apple and now Windows to see the platform owner gets the cut a retailer would have previously on first sale with no later resale or transfer.

That then makes for an interesting scenario - what if MS (or Sony) allowed digital copies of games to be bought and sold online for a 20% cut split between them and the publishers and used technology to enforce the game is deactivated on the original owners console as soon as the new owner activates it? You could have games being bought and sold in an online "market place" and still maintain second hand prices of £10 - £20.

Not saying that's what's happening but its as possible as all the other rumours and speculation at the moment

XeNoN89 · 27 May 2013 at 19:46

craptakular said:

Funny, but I blame that on the crappyness of the COD games rather than the crappyness of the XB1

djkav · 27 May 2013 at 19:46

I'm expecting games to be quite similar when it comes down to playing them.

Each have their exclusive IPs, and Kinect and PS Move to enhance gameplay. It will just come down to who likes whatever exclusives and system operation and online network.

dannyjo22 · 27 May 2013 at 19:58

MOOGLEYS said:
Xbox one has approx %40 less GPU performance than PS4. I feel this is going to really hurt MS. It seems MS realises it cannot compete with the PS4 as a gaming device and is trying to compete with the likes of Apple having an all in one device. Jack of all master of none comes to mind. I really think MS are going to struggle with Xbox one which is a shame. They seem to have got it completely wrong when it was so simple to get right.

I agree. The best news I could get from E3 is that Epic are going multi platform with Gears. Gears is the only game I've played for more than a few hours in the last couple of years. I think because of gears I will be carrying on with my 360 until the next Gears is released.

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