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Anyway I've spoken to her and we are back together, I've told her I will not rule out marriage at some point in the future but made it clear it's in no way a promise that we will get married, only a possibility. [..]

Do you really mean that? She's probably going to see it as marriage at some point in the future. You have changed your position significantly, so it's not an unreasonable position for her to take.

Unless you really have changed your position that much (and it is a big change, from ruling marriage out to not ruling marriage out), you haven't addressed the problem. You've only delayed it and probably made it worse because she'll probably be angry about it.

I don't fault your original position. I see it in the same way I see insurance - it makes sense to consider harmful things that might happen even if you think they won't happen. I don't think my house will burn down or have a hole smashed in it by a meteorite or whatever, but it would be foolish of me to not consider the cost to me of such a thing happening. Considering that possibility doesn't mean I expect my house to be wrecked. Considering what would happen in the event of a divorce doesn't mean that you expect the marriage to fail. It's just being sensible.

It's possible to make legally binding agreements prior to or while cohabiting without getting married. It's not straightforward to make them legally binding, though, and it can be expensive to do it right.

It's not possible to make legally binding agreements prior to getting married because the laws regarding marriage supersede them. The court chooses how much weight to attach to a pre-nup. They could order it upheld to the letter or partially or not at all and there's hardly any precedent for upholding it (just the one case - Radmacher vs Granatino, although it is an important one).

However, prenups might become legally binding fairly soon:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ding-prenups-win-a-firm-proposal-9155566.html
 
TBH I'd say stay apart. You clearly don't love/trust her and are more bothered about your money than being happy together.

You're using the fact that you paid more into the house to gain power in the relationship.

I bet he thought the exact opposite thing the first time around, until he got burned. I can see why he's worried, the hell you have to go through with these things can completely ruin your life and future until the end.

I'd say most who think otherwise haven't experienced anything close.

He most likely does love her to bits, but understands the reality that after some time, relationships can become stale and it's not always in your control but your partners - they can change into whole other people in the flick of a switch and destroy everything you hold dear because they were unfaithful and vindictive at the same time.

He doesn't know if it'll happen, she doesn't, you don't, I dont, nobody does.
It might, it might not but he's terrified of something that he didnt see coming the first time again.

As for the OP, she made a mistake assuming you'd give over on something you so early brought up; you made the mistake saying you'll think about it later on.
Logically you can both stay together, as long as you're both happy - she doesn't see it that way. If being married is a must for her because she thinks it solidifies your relationship it's just the same as what you're doing.
Trust issues, both of you - yours is more deserved from what we know.

So in short;
Your worried about something happening again, trust issues.
She doesn't think you like her enough to marry (and assuming, stay with), trust issues.

If you can't have it your way and she can't have it hers - well then, if only people were happy to be together as is without some ceremony and law.
 
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Im shocked so many hung up about belongings and money and losing half of it, have you found a way of taking it with you when you die?

You're forgetting that you have to be able to live and support yourself adequately after a divorce. If you divorce when you hit 30, then you've got a long road ahead of you.

It's fine if you're a 90 year old millionaire marrying a 26 year old strumpet. :D
 
The trust issues just aren't relevant.

People change, its inevitable. Sometimes you can live with it, sometimes you can't. Marriage is a legally binding contract for the rest of your life, your basically gambling with everything you own that this person will be compatible forever.

Life and dare I say statistics tell us that this is a long shot. Humans just don't tend to get on like that.

I think the only thing you can do is pick somebody who you don't think will be a ****** if you ever separate!
 
I don't fault your original position. I see it in the same way I see insurance - it makes sense to consider harmful things that might happen even if you think they won't happen. I don't think my house will burn down or have a hole smashed in it by a meteorite or whatever, but it would be foolish of me to not consider the cost to me of such a thing happening. Considering that possibility doesn't mean I expect my house to be wrecked. Considering what would happen in the event of a divorce doesn't mean that you expect the marriage to fail. It's just being sensible.

Sounds like OP needs divorce insurance :p
 
I hope it works out for you bud, By the sounds of it she really does love you and hopefully wont screw you over again.

Good luck
 
And what message is she sending to him? I know you don't want to do it but I want my superficial ceremony and a gold ring which grants me 50% of your stuff. Give it to me or I'm leaving this relationship we've built up.

So she's ready to chuck whatever they have down the toilet because she can't get to play princess for a day and wear a gold ring.

Well we dont know who split with who do we? My guess is that it was a mutual parting. But that is besides the point - there are two people with strong feelings in the opposite camps of the same subject. She wants, he does not.

But sure, go ahead and blame the woman here, it is clearly all her fault! :rolleyes:

He's basically saying "I've been through this once before and come out very badly. I'm not going to make the same mistake again."

Cake and eat it springs to mind. OP sends out all the signals he is committed - buys a house using a large sum of his money, even buys her an engagement ring! Then he turns around and says he does not want to get married? Talk about mixed messages.

Why didnt they just rent? Or buy a home on equal footing?

If the OP is so intent on holding on to his money, my advice would be to avoid serious relationships full stop. Otherwise accept that he will have to put his money at risk - that is life. Unless, of course, he finds a woman to live with who also has £70k that she is clutching to for dear life, and also does not want to get married :)

What the OP is saying is "I want the home, I want the girlfriend to live with and I want everything that is mine to remain mine forever".

Well life does not work like that. A relationship is an investment. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does not. It is a chance you take.

The OP says he loves this woman, but it does not sound like it to me. I think he loves the idea of love and he wants what love brings, but the reality is he is in love with his bank account, and any woman in his life will have to play second fiddle. Good luck with that!

Perhaps the OP should find a woman in the same position so he can feel safe?

If his money is so important, the question must be why on earth did he get together with someone who had nothing in the first place? If he knows how he feels, surely he could have easily predicted that there would be problems? :confused:

Seems to me like everything was OK so long as the relationship was on his terms. So maybe he needs to find a woman who is as happy with his terms as he is?


Such a shame that there are those with such a bitter outlook. All life is a gamble, and relationships are not exempt. Some you win, some you lose. You sound like you lost once. To become so jaded as to obsess about 'yo monaayyy' to the exclusion of all else = more unhappyness. In effect you lose, full stop.

No man or woman who cares enough about themselves will ever be superseded by their partners money in a relationship. I know I would be out the door before being put second place to a bank account.

I wonder how many of those with such an embittered outlook actually sought a partner on equal footing to start with? You know, considering how important money is to them and all.

Let me guess - it is your way or the highway, right? That is your prerogitive, of course, but I guess it is one of the reasons why some people just dont have any 'luck' when it comes to relationships. :)

He probably bought the house because he loves her and wants to be with her, but doesn't want to have it taken away from him should she decide that one day when he doesn't jump at her request that it's time for her to leave and take it with her, maybe?
It's easy for a person to make demands when they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Yes of course because it would never ever be him that decides he does not want her anymore, or him that has an affair would it? It's always those pesky gold digging women that sleep around and jump ship and steal all of the money. :rolleyes:

The OP is letting this £70K rule his life. It is a cloud over him and he appears to obsess about losing it. It's just money. You can't spend it when your dead, and when you are alive you can always earn more.

I would be interested to know where this £70k came from? If he was cleared out in 2008 but 5 years later has £70k, either he is a high earner or has some inheritence? If he has saved it, that equates to £1100 per month into savings for 5 years straight! Not many people can afford that!

Yeah I agree. A bit spineless being so sure you don't want marriage and then saying "well maybe?" because she gives you an ultimatum. Is this the type of relationship anyone would want though? What happens once they're married, will she continue to make ultimatums with threats to leave each time it doesn't go her way? Then she'll really have him over a barrel and it'll be too late.

He is also, I believe, making ultimatums of his own. Six of one, and all of that. But yes, lets paint the woman as the fiery, killer she devil :rolleyes:

I once had an ultimatum off my ex wife. I helped her pack and she was gone within 10 minutes.

Good for you. That you would wave goodbye to your wife in the space of 10 minutes says a lot about your relationship.
 
OP Burnt by previous wife buys new fiancee a ring and 70k investment to house.

Asks OCUK for help..

Is this thread for real?
 
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