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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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4K8KW10 said:
RTX 3080 is not midrange thanks to the very strong competitive pressure from AMD forcing Nvidia to use the full-fat GA102 die for it - 628 sq. mm.

GTX 1080 was a midrange card because its GP104 dies measured only 314 sq. mm.
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4K8K barely makes sense half the time, but this kind of makes sense :p:D
 
TNA said:
4K8K barely makes sense half the time, but this kind of makes sense :p:D
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Still not sure why the name of the die dictates the performance. I understand their normal naming scheme of the dies, I understand Hopper will likely be GH102/104/106/108 and I understand that these usually denote performance tier. But if GH108 came out and wrecked everything so they never released GH102/104/106 then it's the highest end part on the market and therefore high end.

I just don't get why a 1080 is mid range because it's a GP104.
 
Richdog said:
Anone who thinks a 3080 is mid range is clearly a sandwich short of a picnic.
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Agree - Its not mid range by a country mile. Mid range to me is in the price band of £300-500 just like the 5700/XT were last gen (which means 2070 nvidia land).
 
weldon855 said:
I expect to see at least 3 Nvidia GPUs better than the 3080 early next year. The 3080 is a lost cause so the 10gb vram suits it fine.
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Yeah, possible, but I do not see why that would mean it would not be high end anymore as a result. Unless they start bringing out GPU's with much better performance than a 3090? Otherwise it is still a 15% gap, which is not much is it?

Sargatanas2511 said:
Still not sure why the name of the die dictates the performance. I understand their normal naming scheme of the dies, I understand Hopper will likely be GH102/104/106/108 and I understand that these usually denote performance tier. But if GH108 came out and wrecked everything so they never released GH102/104/106 then it's the highest end part on the market and therefore high end.

I just don't get why a 1080 is mid range because it's a GP104.
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I know some like to always look at it by which die, but I just go by performance, though the two do tend to correlate for the most part :p

I am not bothered what others think anyway, does not matter in the end. Kaapstad says the 3080 is not high end also. Each to their own :D
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Still not sure why the name of the die dictates the performance. I understand their normal naming scheme of the dies, I understand Hopper will likely be GH102/104/106/108 and I understand that these usually denote performance tier. But if GH108 came out and wrecked everything so they never released GH102/104/106 then it's the highest end part on the market and therefore high end.

I just don't get why a 1080 is mid range because it's a GP104.
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It's not the name of the die but the size and the relative quantity of transistors in the corresponding generation.
Mid-range die is that die that is half way between 80-100 sq. mm and the reticle size limit for the corresponding process.
 
4K8KW10 said:
It's not the name of the die but the size and the relative quantity of transistors in the corresponding generation.
Mid-range die is that die that is half way between 80-100 sq. mm and the reticle size limit for the corresponding process.
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Who cares how big the die is? Does that mean Zen 3 is not a high end cpu because the cores are tiny? They are something like 7sqmm each if I remember right.
 
TNA said:
Yeah, possible, but I do not see why that would mean it would not be high end anymore as a result. UnlUess they start bringing out GPU's with much better performance than a 3090? Otherwise it is still a 15% gap, which is not much is it?
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Of course they will they won't leave the 6900xt that close.
 
Sargatanas2511 said:
Who cares how big the die is? Does that mean Zen 3 is not a high end cpu because the cores are tiny? They are something like 7sqmm each if I remember right.
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Ryzen 9 5900X and Ryzen 9 5950X have three dies - two ~70-75 sq. mm and one at least 120 sq. mm.

The CPUs have historically always been much smaller in size.
 
I thought the RTX 3070 was mid range along with the 6800. RTX 3080 and 6800xt are for enthusiast gamers. 6900x and RTX 3090 were for people who care little about the cost.

A whole decent PC can be had for the cost of a RTX 3090. Most people spend at most the same as a 6900xt.

An overclocked RTX 3080 is so close to a RTX 3090 that performance is hardly worth the bigger price tag. No one who is a gamer is going to be able to use the 24GB of vRAM. Not unless you run Crysis from vRAM.
 
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4K8KW10 said:
RX 6800 will be slightly slower than RTX 3080 and way above RTX 3070 / RTX 2080 Ti. At least 10-15%.


https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-dis...900xt-rx-6800xt-and-rx-6800-gaming-benchmarks
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The information available is that the Radeon cards are on par with turning RT wise. This makes them all slower than the 30 series. RTX 3080 is faster than the 6800xt and most likely faster than the 6900xt in RT. This is why there are no RT benchmarks from AMD.

We've seen AMD post some numbers already showing that we can expect raytracing performance at a GeForce RTX 3070 level with the new 6800 XT.

A Twitterer called PC_Lab_UH, who appears to work at a tech site called Uniko's Hardware, has tested the Radeon RX 6800 with the Shadow of the Tomb Raider benchmark and built-in ray tracing option (RT shadows only). He manages to achieve 46 frames per second and 80 fps at 4K and WQHD with ray tracing turned on. That is about as fast as the RTX 3070 with ray tracing, however, with DLSS on. So if you filter out the performance benefit froM DLSS, that's not bad, really.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/b...-scores-and-excellent-time-spy-gpu-score.html
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With the Microsoft DXR SDK tool called ‘Procedural Geometry'. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ray...dia-rt-core-in-this-dxr-ray-tracing-benchmark
This means that GeForce RTX 3080 is around 33% faster than Radeon RX 6800 XT in this particular benchmark
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If these benchmark results are legitimate, AMD's RX 6000 series will offer gamers a performance advantage in rasterised workloads over their Nvidia rivals. That said, Nvidia's reported ray tracing edge would become more of a factor as ray tracing becomes more common within future PC releases. It is also worth noting that Nvidia's DLSS technology won't be supported on Radeon hardware, giving Nvidia another advantage. https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gp...hmarks_points_towards_strong_4k_performance/1
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Note with RT & DLSS the 3070 is faster than the 6800. https://videocardz.com/newz/alleged...nd-tomb-raider-with-dxr-performance-leaks-out
 
Well the FE I ordered yesterday turned up today, I did not even pay for Saturday delivery, so well chuffed :D

Here, enjoy the pics guys, oh and I updated my sig too ;)


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