It's within 10% of the 3070's rasterisation performance but has only 50% of the Ray tracing performance
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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..
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It's within 10% of the 3070's rasterisation performance but has only 50% of the Ray tracing performance
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Definitely better than a 2060 though.
Well... I'm sure developers will have special "optimizations" to squueze out performance.
I'm pretty sure there are special certain ray tracing parameters that barely affects image quality but boosts the RT performance. Like a little bit tweak to RT resolution. PC will never have that. PC users are always forced to brute force things. I heard WD Legion uses special settings accustomed to consoles like ray counts, lower RT res and such. But overall, PC and console ray tracing practically looks same to me. So that's practically unnecessary overhead beseeched upon PC people because why not? If same settings were on PC, 2070 would have an easier time, no?
Same for RE Village. So, series x on paper gets native looking like 4k 60 fps and ray tracing. Yeah it uses checkerboarding, but it counters the 3070's %50 RT performance advantage. And everyone is confident that it looks native like so? But a 2070 simply doesn't have that. You have to run interlaced which makes everything blurry. Yeah 2070 has DLSS but we shall see how many games will use that. This game certainly doesn't
On PC, 2080ti gets away 60 FPS with native 4K. That's with that %50 extra ray tracing power in play
And of course, I'm not even going to bring 3070 to the talk, since it falls flat at 4K due to VRAM
SX certainly benefits from that 10+3 gb VRAM it has for gaMes
Yup, and with it being for console they'll be able to get more out of it than is possible on pc as they have less programming layers to go through to eek more performance out of it.
People keep saying that but I've never seen any evidence of it ever happening. Feel free to show me an example.
And some people will try to bring up console exclusives, that's not a comparison because the game isn't on PC to compare for one and secondly it's funded by Sony who has endless pockets, not representative of the wider industry and thirdly having to only develop for a single machine is a huge benefit, you save a ton of resources on programmers and instead put that money into animation, motion capture etc and so once again it has absolutely nothing to do with console vs pc. PC has produced it's own exceptional exclusive games, it just doesn't have an industry body funding it to the point where it makes any financial sense - Epic games is about the closest thing we have to Sony for PC at this point, they do provide funding if you go to them saying you want to make an exclusive game, however their funding is miniscule compared to Sony (epic will give you $10-20mill, Sony will give you $100-200mill)
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plenty of examples, specially at the end of console generations, good luck trying to run GTAV on a pc with 256mbs of ram like the ps3 did or run red dead 2 on a pc similar to ps4 specs.
Why do you think that the discussion about low level apis like mantle and vulkan came about along with dx12? It was because dx had got very messy and bloated and it was eating into performance. Consoles pretty much always have a bit of an advantage in that respect.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe GTA V on PS3 and PC are fundamentally different games. GTA V on PS3 is a legacy version of the game, they then went and enhanced all the graphics and released the game as a upgraded version for both PC and PS4/Xbox One. So that's not really a comparison worth discussing
Can 8 GB RX 480 run RDR 2 at native 4K with locked 30 FPS?
Or let's back track,
https://youtu.be/NdhZmn4FA9M?t=278
With medium settings, GTX 1060 can't lock to 60 FPS in this game.
PS4 have settings that are on low, medium and high mixed (mostly medium).
Supposedly, 1060 has 4.3 TFLOPS. PS4 has 1.8 TFLOPS. PS4 has outdated architecture. Pascal is more recent. Yet with all the brute power, 1060 can't seem to reliably hit 2x the performance of a PS4.
Dunno I can find you more examples. Console optimization is a real thing
Otherwise XOX wouldn't be able to run this game at native 4k without any hitches with respectably high settings
I'm not even delving into the whole PS4 - 750ti thing. xd
https://youtu.be/rlSux8NYyOc?t=227
This one is more brutal
So, 1070 gets 20-25 FPS at 4k with exact xbox one x settings
Is this valid enough?
I don't know what else to say
1070 should at least match a XOX's performance no? (you would actually expect it to outperform it, since xox used to be compared with a 1060, no?=))
It seems unable to do so
And no, it's not extra VRAM of XOX either, as you can see VRAM usage is really tame with XOX settings at 5.5-6 GB
This one is more brutal
So, 1070 gets 20-25 FPS at 4k with exact xbox one x settings
Is this valid enough?
I don't know what else to say
1070 should at least match a XOX's performance no? (you would actually expect it to outperform it, since xox used to be compared with a 1060, no?=))
It seems unable to do so
And no, it's not extra VRAM of XOX either, as you can see VRAM usage is really tame with XOX settings at 5.5-6 GB
Gamers Nexus reckoned it's equivalent to a 1060 to 1080 on the PS5. With a lower tier Zen 2. Sort of... depends a lot on game tested aso.
Well, ok, it's early days for the devs and library there but even as that goes forward they'll be using upscaling and other tricks and lesser settings comparatively than is possible on PC. One step forward, one at least back.
But come onnn... we all know this. It's not that consoles are 'bad' per se, just that they use tricks to do as they do despite having the better of porting and optimisation on average. We've all seen side by side comparison pics and vids between PC and console going back a couple of gens at least.
Hell no
PS5 is nowhere near a 1080 let alone 1060
PS5 readily performs near SX, and SX performs near 2080s/2080ti in some games already
How did you manage to compare PS5 to a 1060 is beyond me , im actually gasping right now
Series S can be comparable to 1060, but even then, even Series S outperforms a 1060 and already performs near a 1070 in some titles (gears 5, sea of thieves, call of duty and more)
I don't know what agenda Gamers Nexus has there XD
I mean as long as it looks gorgeous what's the point of dissectting settings and side by side comparisons?
rdr2 on ps4 looked just sexy and fine. and nothing can touch tlou2 anyways
god of war... well a different tier, again. and with exquisite story that you hardly find on pc to flex on with 2080s and 3090s
all of them are on possible with 1.8 tflops console from an outdated era
rdr2 on ps4 looked just sexy and fine. and nothing can touch tlou2 anyways
god of war... well a different tier, again. and with exquisite story that you hardly find on pc to flex on with 2080s and 3090s
all of them are on possible with 1.8 tflops console from an outdated era
Lol, comparing 1060 to new consoles... Have no idea why such a famous Youtuber is spouting that kinda nonsense, he didnt even got the games comparison right since DMCV runs at a higher resolution than the one he claimed, basically zero homework done but i keep seeing plenty of people bringing his vids as arguments so spouting ******** clearly works.
PS5 GPU is basically the same as the XSX, hell in a lot of these multiplats the PS5 outperforms the XSX. I'd say 3060ti/2080s ballpark performance.
Hey, don't blame me, just sayin' what I saw. Steve's usually right on but fwiw I think he's out by a gen, if not tier for tier, overall/on average. I mean, upscaling and tricks can only do so much any comparisons aren't as straight forward like PC benchmarks are. Could be he meant the comparison in terms of potential as opposed to like for like.
It's not like I hate consoles either, as I said. I just still think (for me) they are the lesser choice for now even if only gaming were considered and even if 4K didn't matter (hey, 1440p would be fine)
Thing is, while what were previously considered console exclusives are increasingly moving to PC, the opposite isn't happening quite as broadly and consoles are still about action games for the most part (Paradox titles don't count, they can run on potatoes) For example, I've been saying for years, and only half joking, that if the likes of Total War games (to a decent standard, they are hogs) and certain others came to console I'd consider it, especially if modding and crossplay were implemented.
So this is what happened. He made a video comparing the performance of devil may cry 5 ported to Ps5 with 120hz mode unlocked to the pc performance of the game with a gtx1060.
with that and just that he came to the conclusion the ps5 is a gtx1060
it's one of the worst videos he's made in a long time
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