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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..
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You actually think that media is on AMD side.
Also im pretty certain the part in bold is something you made up
PR war. Take this youtube comment for example.
This is with reference to a FSR video. He's able to run DXR better and is impressed with the FSR performance increase with his 1660TI.
People see a bigger number as better reguardless if it makes any sense. Because they accept these statements, you cant say anything about it. Its because their ego is so invested in it, a truth or statement that attacks this cannot be reconciled internally. So they lie and attack people. A bigger number can be better and a smaller number can be enough. You have to research it yourself. But bigger is better is so ingrained that you can never argue against it, even if you are telling the truth or not.
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You actually think that media is on AMD side.
Also im pretty certain the part in bold is something you made up
Video about FSR quality.
DXR on a 1660TI with FSR leading the way in performance. He's impressed.
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As it's open, researchers might use it as a test bed for improved algorithmns, or some teenager might come up with a good idea
The video mocks Nvidia products like the RTX 3080 ti, comments point it out.
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i've answered this a thousand times,
texture quality has been stagnant for a time, and if nvidia pushes their own 16 gb cards, you can be sure that there will be crazy texture settings that will redefine how the games may look
i mean if u call 3080 being obsolete in just 2 years, ok, thats another discussion i won't be going into. some people have the luxury of upgrading every 2 years. for those, this discussion is pointless as it can be, if you're one of those people, you have no business discussing these topics here. this topic is solely for beyond 2 years of usage. say 4 years later, if these nextgen textures become mainstream, rx 6800xt will be able to handle them, 3080 won't.
We already have 4k texture packs. The 3080 does fine with them. Are you suggesting we are going to go 8k and the already out of date 6800xt will handle them due to having more VRAM?
a game can provide a 4k texture pack and still look bad. the textures are one and done deal, they just do some tricks to provide an additional layer of textures. textures themselves still bland and bad. wd:legion, a prime example, textures still look currentgen even with 4k texture pack. do they stand out? no. monster hnter world. 4k texture pack. is it standing out compared to other games? a big no...
i think you're missing the point in this discussion, i'm not talking about 4k textures, i'm talking about textures being more detailed. you can have crap looking textures at 4k, so what? metro exodus ee supposedly have enhanced textures for 4k, but it still falls flat in many cases. it is clear that they just did some trick/upscaling hack and called it a 4k texture pack
rdr 2 consumes 7-8 gb vram at 4k and yet ground still looks bad. how do you think you will push more detailed textures on that game when it already maxes out all the gpus out there with its currentgen textures=?
or re village, for that matter, that pushes 9.5-9.6 gb vram usage with its bland looking textures. how do you think capcom can push texture quality further with this amount of vram? i mean is it even possible? if re village has 4k textures, then they're pretty much damned. it looks horrible no matter what you do. the illusion of beautiful image breaks away once you start noticing the horrible oldgen textures all around
no need to derail the thread.
list me some of those "4k texture pack" games... i wait.. they won'T look any better than RDR 2, last of us 2, or any other currentgen game for that matter. why you wonder?
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In such games it's not that the textures are bad, but how the engine uses them. They are stretched and squeezed to fit the topology.
i hope u're right then, but i eagerly wait to see things improve in games. for like 5 years textures are the same across all games... ps3 to ps4 was a huge leap in terms of texture quality in games... this can be observed between tlou1 and tlou2... i would expect 16 gb buffer to enable never seen before type of textures in games but we shall see with time
Erm what?
Unwrapping and mapping of textures is done by a person. Even in instances of procedually generated textures these are tweaked by an artist.
If a game engine is altering textures fitment onto topology after the artist has layed them out then engine is broken because i don't see a reason why it should do that.
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I'm assuming we are talking about DLSS 2.0. Unless you won't to lay out arguments as to why DLSS 1.0 is better than FSR.
There is only one comment on that list that states FSR is better than DLSS 2.0 and that is from some random nobody. But i guess i was technically wrong; you didn't make it up.
The rest of the comments are literally irrelevant.
So what, when did Nvidia become immune from being mocked? Especially on a cash grab product.
It's a game engine that the artist uses to create the topology in the first place. That artist doesn't have time to check every aspect design as the engine does a good enough job on its own. For example, you must have seen artists creating a forest using different brush sizes to do so placing many trees of differing types at once. Do you really think they stop and check every tree?
If by topology you mean the polygons on the model, then no just no. A vast majority of models will have their topology created by an artist. The only use case that comes to mind where topology is created by an algorithm is simulation data and tessellation. And even tessellation can be manipulated by an artist by altering the base topology.
If by topology you mean something else, then please explain so i can understand?
That's how you end up with games filled with bugs, see CP2077.
those trees could have been made by a different artist who did review them to make sure they look right. Or they could be procedually generated trees they would have been tested to ensure the correct output.
In the example you're talking about, it is probably about five unique trees that have random rotation and scale to make it look like a forest of unique trees.
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Yes Nvidia has a huge market share compared to AMD but 10GB 3080 should last for a bit say a year. The developers are from major software houses!
They (the bosses) are pushing for more eye candy to draw more gamers to their titles when they show off their video trailers so the old 8GB Vram standard has to go.
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Yep you can do it predictively to some extent, but its still not a cure for not enough Vram.
Texture streaming is good for certain situations such as flight sims.
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As you can see the 2D texture maps (with mipmaps etc) take a huge chunk of the Vram, then meshes. the 179 shaders Don't take much Vram.
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Get a card with the most Vram you can afford so it lasts a bit longer.
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Soldato
Direct Storage.
PCIE Bandwidth is slow.
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