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10GB vram enough for the 3080? Discuss..

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https://www.techpowerup.com/273302/nvidia-reportedly-moving-ampere-to-7-nm-tsmc-in-2021

Read between the lines, apply a little common sense and you'll see what's coming. A 20GB 3080TI, most likely same core just clocking higher/running cooler/lower TDP on TSMC 7nm. That'll be the one to get!

Just cancelled my 3090 Strix OC - I'm gonna chill with my Radeon VII until AMD show their hand, and Nvidia's show theirs. This launch has been horrible, good riddance!

Yes, read the same thing some time ago been trying the find the source ever since can't find it anywhere. Anyway Big Navi will do until the 20gb drops, assuming there aren't shortages of those either.
 
https://www.techpowerup.com/273302/nvidia-reportedly-moving-ampere-to-7-nm-tsmc-in-2021

Read between the lines, apply a little common sense and you'll see what's coming. A 20GB 3080TI, most likely same core just clocking higher/running cooler/lower TDP on TSMC 7nm. That'll be the one to get!

Just cancelled my 3090 Strix OC - I'm gonna chill with my Radeon VII until AMD show their hand, and Nvidia's show theirs. This launch has been horrible, good riddance!

The problem with doing this is how do they justify the 3090 and if indeed it's faster then they also have to raise the bar higher with Hopper.

Anyway, I'm going to be enjoying RT sooner :p
 
Looks like raster performance is a problem long before VRAM

You need a RTX3090 just to try and hit 60fps at 4k and VRAM is 8GB or less
 
The problem with doing this is how do they justify the 3090 and if indeed it's faster then they also have to raise the bar higher with Hopper.

Anyway, I'm going to be enjoying RT sooner :p

With the 3090ti, cause a 7nm 20gb 3080ti would destroy the 3090 and no one would buy it.

The bar is going to be raised so high with hopper that everything before it is meaningless anyway.

Do not underestimate the performance benefits that MCM brings - The rtx4090 may be 80%+ faster than the 3090
 
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Looks like raster performance is a problem long before VRAM

You need a RTX3090 just to try and hit 60fps at 4k and VRAM is 8GB or less

Yes. It's been my arguement that the 3080 will be past it's best before it needs more VRAM.

Do not underestimate the performance benefits that MCM brings - The rtx4090 may be 80%+ faster than the 3090

The issue isn't how much faster they can make Hopper, but how much of an upgrade they want to give. The same way Intel held back performance for so long.
 
Valhalla isnt a next gen game though.

No such thing as a next gen game.

They all run on PC hardware now so can be scaled up and down. Next gen come from the fact that previously the architectures were so different that they couldnt be ported across or scaled easily.
 
No such thing as a next gen game.

They all run on PC hardware now so can be scaled up and down. Next gen come from the fact that previously the architectures were so different that they couldnt be ported across or scaled easily.

The 'next gen' parts are the features the last gen didnt have. If a game uses any of those features then it's on it's way to being a next gen game a the very least. Generational refreshes arent normally colossal leaps over anything that came before them.
 
The 'next gen' parts are the features the last gen didnt have. If a game uses any of those features then it's on it's way to being a next gen game a the very least. Generational refreshes arent normally colossal leaps over anything that came before them.

It really isnt the way it works. The PC has most of those games and can play them with those features as far back as the PS3. There is nothing next gen since the Ps3. Ps3 brought network play to consoles for the masses. Battlefield 2 and 3 were playable back on PC back then and those same PC's today can play games which are coming for the PS5.

Next Gen is always about the leap in computational and graphical performance for consoles. So to make my point about the AC Valhala not being "true next gen" that is rubbish because there is no such thing as "true next gen" on PC hardware.
 
But it is the next AAA title and will be appearing on next gen consoles. Their engine will have been tweaked since AC Whatyamacallit....

Nope, same core tech as for Origins & Odyssey (and also Wildlands & Breakpoint, as they share the same engine with AC) with very few modifications between them. You won't see their proper next-engine tech for AC & Ghost Recon until the cross-gen period is over, so probably 2022. Heck even the DX12 addition isn't really new, they already had such builds for consoles with the previous ones but they didn't want to bother releasing it on PC (and also Vulkan because they did it for Stadia).

Trust me, I wish it was different because I'm a fanboy, but you can pretty much expect same level of fidelity & performance from Valhalla as you did from Odyssey, except maybe framerate will be more stable thanks to DX12, at least for those without 5 Ghz Intel chips.
 
My concern remains the same really. Games are already getting close to 10GB and when full on next gen games start coming out in a year then I would expect them to really start hitting it. I would personally not spend £650+++ on a card for it to not max a game out after a year or 2.
 
Nope, same core tech as for Origins & Odyssey (and also Wildlands & Breakpoint, as they share the same engine with AC) with very few modifications between them. You won't see their proper next-engine tech for AC & Ghost Recon until the cross-gen period is over, so probably 2022. Heck even the DX12 addition isn't really new, they already had such builds for consoles with the previous ones but they didn't want to bother releasing it on PC (and also Vulkan because they did it for Stadia).

Trust me, I wish it was different because I'm a fanboy, but you can pretty much expect same level of fidelity & performance from Valhalla as you did from Odyssey, except maybe framerate will be more stable thanks to DX12, at least for those without 5 Ghz Intel chips.

Exactly this is why I called it 'not a next gen game' @fx1.

It's based on current technology. Next gen for me will be those games on the next gen consoles which are tapping in to the next gen architectural changes they have implemented in the consoles.

Faster rates of streaming from ssd to ram (on console) being one example.

Although saying that @Poneros they must have upped something because the GPU requirements are higher than Odyssey? But yes I agree for all intense and purposes it looks no different to Odyssey.
 
My concern remains the same really. Games are already getting close to 10GB and when full on next gen games start coming out in a year then I would expect them to really start hitting it. I would personally not spend £650+++ on a card for it to not max a game out after a year or 2.
The performance will be the same, so all you have to ask yourself is is it worth paying £200-£300 extra for a handful of games to have the highest texture setting and not the one below the highest. This is of course assuming you will be upgrading to next gen in around 2 years time.

Way I see it is I paid £650 for my 3080, no way would I pay around £200-£300 on top for one higher texture setting in a handful of games when the money saved plus the sale of my 3080 will likely buy me a 4080 which will no doubt have more than 10gb anyways. Especially when in most games one cannot even tell the difference between the highest and one lower texture setting when playing.
 
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The performance will be the same, so all you have to ask yourself is is it worth paying £200-£300 extra for a handful of games to have the highest texture setting and not the one below the highest. This is of course assuming you will be upgrading to next gen in around 2 years time.

Way I see it is I paid £650 for my 3080, no way would I pay around £200-£300 on top for one higher texture setting in a handful of games when the money saved plus the sale of my 3080 will likely buy me a 4080 which will no doubt have more than 10gb anyways. Especially when in most games one cannot even tell the difference between the highest and one lower texture setting when playing.

Yeah it all depends entirely on your own use case. Some people are happy to lower details, some know they will upgrade next gen too and some don't care and just wanted the card. They are all totally fine and up to them, but I plan on keeping a card for a couple of gens and personally think spending £650 on a card to not run maxed out even in a year would be ridiculous.

Each to their own though and I am glad you enjoy it.
 
Yeah it all depends entirely on your own use case. Some people are happy to lower details, some know they will upgrade next gen too and some don't care and just wanted the card. They are all totally fine and up to them, but I plan on keeping a card for a couple of gens and personally think spending £650 on a card to not run maxed out even in a year would be ridiculous.

Each to their own though and I am glad you enjoy it.

What evidence you do you actually have to support your "theory" that the cards obsolete and needing to run lower details blah blah, or did you climb aboard the bandwagon as per the usual suspects ?
 
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