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14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Rroff said:
Mine isn't terrible under real world loads, and that is with air cooling on "silent", but stuff like Cinebench will push past 100C and throttle the CPU if I don't max the fans out and even then it can hit 100C. Gaming and heavier app use generally sitting around 70C, light to moderate desktop loads 33-37C.
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Tried locking the cores, undervolt etc?
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
Tried locking the cores, undervolt etc?
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I messed about with undervolting a bit but not exhaustively - looks like one of the cores doesn't have a lot of voltage headroom and I can't undervolt enough to make much difference while keeping stock clocks - on the flip side though I can get 4 core 6GHz boost without much added voltage or heat - would probably be a reasonable overclocking chip on better cooling.

I'm using the older Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler though as the newer ones weren't out at the time I bought and I wanted quiet over anything else - with the Dark Rock 5 or 1-2 other air coolers it would stay under 100C.
 
Rroff said:
I messed about with undervolting a bit but not exhaustively - looks like one of the cores doesn't have a lot of voltage headroom and I can't undervolt enough to make much difference while keeping stock clocks - on the flip side though I can get 4 core 6GHz boost without much added voltage or heat - would probably be a reasonable overclocking chip on better cooling.

I'm using the older Be Quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 cooler though as the newer ones weren't out at the time I bought and I wanted quiet over anything else - with the Dark Rock 5 or 1-2 other air coolers it would stay under 100C.
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You would defo experiance both better temps and performance (from my experiance, which is novice at best!) by locking the cores and having a slight undervolt. On my 13900k it made a huge difference in performance and stability locking them at 53 and not worrying about sketchy unreliable boosting.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
You would defo experiance both better temps and performance (from my experiance, which is novice at best!) by locking the cores and having a slight undervolt. On my 13900k it made a huge difference in performance and stability locking them at 53 and not worrying about sketchy unreliable boosting.
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Performance wise it is fine - I lose about 0.5% in Cinebench R23 MT if I don't have the fans at 100% but I can live with that, for gaming, etc. it holds boost clocks fine even with the normal silent fan profile.

It is only under very heavy multi-threading workloads, and mostly just synthetic ones like Cinebench, it really heats up and/or starts to throttle, but that is mostly due to the choice of CPU cooler and preferring quiet operation over all out performance (or I'd have bought a 14900 and an AIO).
 
Rroff said:
Performance wise it is fine - I lose about 0.5% in Cinebench R23 MT if I don't have the fans at 100% but I can live with that, for gaming, etc. it holds boost clocks fine even with the normal silent fan profile.

It is only under very heavy multi-threading workloads, and mostly just synthetic ones like Cinebench, it really heats up and/or starts to throttle, but that is mostly due to the choice of CPU cooler and preferring quiet operation over all out performance (or I'd have bought a 14900 and an AIO).
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That's the major benefit of locking cores and undervolting on these cpus, no thermal throttling and better performance all round.
 
Lord-Jaffa said:
That's the major benefit of locking cores and undervolting on these cpus, no thermal throttling and better performance all round.
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my 14700k used to thermal throttle in cinebench r23 nearly instantly, 360 aio aswell. Was fine in games etc cant remember the temps but probs in the 80's? Decided to gamble with a contact frame (and changed paste to arctic mx-6) as heard they helped and didnt cause them to become bananas. Dropped the temps by 10-13c on average which is insane. Now playing games its barely going over 70c and in some cases ive seen it sit comfortably at 57c in some titles.

From memory after fitting the contact frame from a 10min r23 run, it would be high 80's which i thought was quite good.

Sorry to go on lol, undervolting helped it a fair bit aswell, dropped the temps even more and even had a boost in performance. I only ever used intel XTU and never set it in bios, which i should do really as the gains and temp drop were very impressive. I do have a notes doc with all the r23 scores and temps before and after both contact frame and undervolts, when i finish work ill see if i can find it and get some more info.
 
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Capitano said:
if its purely gaming you care about then its a no brainer, getting better performance at better price points whilst also being more efficient...
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I've already got a 14900kf tho. So not much improvement on performance. Power is better of course.

I think it's more of an itch, but it's been itchy for a while
 
cjgardens said:
I've already got a 14900kf tho. So not much improvement on performance. Power is better of course.

I think it's more of an itch, but it's been itchy for a while
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not a massive improvement but the x3d chips are a reasonable jump.

I would wait until the 9900 and 9950 x3d variants and see what those reviews say
 
Capitano said:
not a massive improvement but the x3d chips are a reasonable jump.

I would wait until the 9900 and 9950 x3d variants and see what those reviews say
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I like high end but there not really gaming CPUs. It would only be marginal improvement. It's more the new tech and new build that I want. Then I want to water cool my next rig.

So yeah, it's just itchy hahaha
 
cjgardens said:
I've already got a 14900kf tho. So not much improvement on performance. Power is better of course.

I think it's more of an itch, but it's been itchy for a while
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Something which often goes uncommented on and reviews don't really cover or do a deep dive into and I dunno if the 99xxX3D chips will work differently but the 79xxX3D chips can have some complications if you are doing more than just gaming due to the way core parking works with them when gaming. If you are someone who has a lot of stuff running when gaming the 14700 and 14900 are still the better chips to have, and to some extent even the AL chips can be inferior in that context. But E cores on the Intel chips aren't entirely free of complications in that respect either.

I really hate the state of the CPU market currently.
 
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