14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

[Rroff]

If you say so, but it's nice to let people know there is the option to save another 50% if they want

You can also get 14700s via those kind of sources with significant savings - if likewise you are happy to take the chances on a "grey" market CPU without warranty/limited returns options, often long delivery times and a chance of issues and fees with customs, etc.

There are also a fair few other options if people want to trade price/performance.

Meanwhile in loads of tasks like rendering/video encoding, compression, etc. the 14700 will smoke that CPU.

 

[qbazdz]

Is there a reputable guide for various motherboards and their settings for both overclocked and undervolt? I still can't find the damn setting that causes my 13700K to go power nuts hungry

 

[Rroff]

AFAIK if PL1 and PL2 are restricted power use shouldn't go nuts.

 

[Journey]

You can also get 14700s via those kind of sources with significant savings

No you can't.

TBH I can't be bothered arguing with you, as you are one of the 'I am always right kinda guys'.

 

[Rroff]

No you can't.

TBH I can't be bothered arguing with you, as you are one of the 'I am always right kinda guys'.

What have I said that is wrong? if you are prepared to go with the kind of conditions of those 7700 sources (i.e. overseas grey stock) you can get 14700s around £50 below UK retail rates, sure not as good deal as those 7700s but still. But if someone is in the market for something like a 14700 they probably aren't considering a 7700.

At least I'm not aware of any UK source selling 7700s at £145.

 

[Journey]

What have I said that is wrong? if you are prepared to go with the kind of conditions of those 7700 sources you can get 14700s around £50 below UK retail rates,

You can't.

If you were familiar at all with how the importing worked you know that you are paying the VAT after £135, so your £242 £14700K/KF will get VAT at at the point of import where the £145 7700 already has the VAT included, as it is below the £135 threshold so has it added on before you buy it.

But if someone is in the market for something like a 14700 they probably aren't considering a 7700.

Nonsense.

 

[Rroff]

You can't.

If you were familiar at all with how the importing worked you know that you are paying the VAT after £135, so your £242 £14700K/KF will get VAT at at the point of import where the £145 7700 already has the VAT included, as it is below the £135 threshold so has it added on before you buy it.

Nonsense.

You might want to read through https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/t...express-customs-and-vat-charges-etc.18968953/

EDIT: That £242 deal I think you are referring to is for the 12600 or 12700 or something you have to click through to the 14700 which is more expensive there, there are sellers which have them, even after VAT/fees (unless you get stung by customs/dodgy seller), a good bit below UK retail prices, though more than £242.

End of the day most people are probably going to be looking at UK retail offerings though.

 

[Rroff]

Nonsense.

The vanilla 7700 is more like the i5 competitor than the i7.

If someone wants a CPU with reasonable performance for gaming but wants to save some money there are quite a few options at the kind of resolution and settings people are likely to actually be gaming at:

But the 14700 offers meaningful benefits if you are doing something gaming adjacent such as recording/streaming with OBS, etc. while playing or a hardcore MMO/RPG players multi-boxing + stats/build tool + voice comms, or in some newer thread heavy games, etc. etc. something reviews don't tend to demonstrate.

When it comes to the kind of desktop tasks people are most likely to be considering something beyond a basic CPU the 7700 isn't even in the running:

The 2 most used video codecs for encoding video:

3D modelling type workloads:

File Compression:

Taken from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/

And when you start using multitasking with several of these tasks ongoing the 12 extra e cores do provide significant benefits in keeping everything smooth.

If someone was seriously looking at the 14700 they are unlikely to be considering the trade off in performance for the money saving, conversely the 14700 does provide meaningfully close performance to the top end CPUs the saving in cost may be worth considering, albeit at this stage on an end of line platform.

For some reason the strengths of the 14700 have largely been overlooked in how meh the 14th gen overall has been and the noise around the degradation issues which at least so far have turned out to be overblown compared to the real impact.

 

[jigger]

The vanilla 7700 is more like the i5 competitor than the i7.

If someone wants a CPU with reasonable performance for gaming but wants to save some money there are quite a few options at the kind of resolution and settings people are likely to actually be gaming at:

But the 14700 offers meaningful benefits if you are doing something gaming adjacent such as recording/streaming with OBS, etc. while playing or a hardcore MMO/RPG players multi-boxing + stats/build tool + voice comms, or in some newer thread heavy games, etc. etc. something reviews don't tend to demonstrate.

When it comes to the kind of desktop tasks people are most likely to be considering something beyond a basic CPU the 7700 isn't even in the running:

The 2 most used video codecs for encoding video:

3D modelling type workloads:

File Compression:

Taken from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-9800x3d/

And when you start using multitasking with several of these tasks ongoing the 12 extra e cores do provide significant benefits in keeping everything smooth.

If someone was seriously looking at the 14700 they are unlikely to be considering the trade off in performance for the money saving, conversely the 14700 does provide meaningfully close performance to the top end CPUs the saving in cost may be worth considering, albeit at this stage on an end of line platform.

For some reason the strengths of the 14700 have largely been overlooked in how meh the 14th gen overall has been and the noise around the degradation issues which at least so far have turned out to be overblown compared to the real impact.

Slightly faster for a ton of extra power use and on an inferior platform. The reason the 14700 is overlooked is because of the cons. If you’re use case is compressing files 8 hours a day then maybe, but it’s very likely chip will prematurely fail and probably best avoided.

 

[Rroff]

Slightly faster for a ton of extra power use and on an inferior platform. The reason the 14700 is overlooked is because of the cons. If you’re use case is compressing files 8 hours a day then maybe, but it’s very likely chip will prematurely fail and probably best avoided.

You do come out with some total rubbish.

For many of the type of tasks which would have people likely looking at a CPU in the 14700K class it completely dominates the 7700 - often by 50-60%. If you are doing productivity tasks involving compression then you'd want those completing quickly for efficient workflow, if someone was compressing files for 8 hours a day they'd be looking at something like the 9950X budget allowing (or they wouldn't care how long it took and just buy whatever).

 

[jigger]

You do come out with some total rubbish.

For many of the type of tasks which would have people likely looking at a CPU in the 14700K class it completely dominates the 7700 - often by 50-60%. If you are doing productivity tasks involving compression then you'd want those completing quickly for efficient workflow, if someone was compressing files for 8 hours a day they'd be looking at something like the 9950X budget allowing (or they wouldn't care how long it took and just buy whatever).

People don’t overlook the 14700k, they just oh look and think, oh yeah it’s pretty crap.

 

[Rroff]

People don’t overlook the 14700k, they just oh look and think, oh yeah it’s pretty crap.

You ever think of maybe engaging brain before posting?

 

[Armageus]

Is this thread serving any purpose other than a Bickering ground for you two?
@Rroff @jigger

 

[humbug]

The vanilla 7700 is more like the i5 competitor than the i7.

If someone wants a CPU with reasonable performance for gaming but wants to save some money there are quite a few options at the kind of resolution and settings people are likely to actually be gaming at:

In terms of gaming according to that chart they are all the same, to use your example the difference between a Ryzen 7700 and the 14700K is 4 percentage points, in other words nothing. the 14700K is also more expensive, uses 2X as much power and is on a dead-end platform.

I just don't think this is good advice. There is a reason Ryzen CPU's are more popular, there isn't some conspiracy people are just using their heads, i mean for one you can easily cool the Ryzen 7700 with a £20 cooler and if later you want to buy a CPU two generations newer it will drop right in to its motherboard no problem, its just common sense.

People who do a lot of productivity work don't buy any of these, these are CPU's for people who are primarily gamers, its why i don't get the little core thing on these midrange CPU's, people looking at these don't care about AV1 encoding and 2D rendering, those that do care about that are buying in the high end, i think that's something AMD understand, Intel don't.
It kind of smells like 'please buy my over-priced CPU, anyone?'