14th Gen "Raptor Lake Refresh"

Grim5 · 9 Aug 2023 at 20:48

Vimes said:
Maybe the 14700k, that includes additional E cores, might see the best improvements from the current gen.
It would be nice to think that it might reduce prices of the current gen and maybe even influence something similar by AMD.

Yeah highly unlikely given that we already know 16 cores is what the 8950x will have, so it's unlikely there is room to give more cores to lower end models. As for prices, I don't see those getting cut either or AMD would have already cut Ryzen 7000 prices.

AMD will keep the prices where they are and when they announce new Ryzens, unlike previous years where they liked to show off Cinebench numbers, they will avoid Cinebench like the plague and only show gaming

Vimes · 10 Aug 2023 at 09:16

Grim5 said:
Yeah highly unlikely given that we already know 16 cores is what the 8950x will have, so it's unlikely there is room to give more cores to lower end models. As for prices, I don't see those getting cut either or AMD would have already cut Ryzen 7000 prices.

AMD will keep the prices where they are and when they announce new Ryzens, unlike previous years where they liked to show off Cinebench numbers, they will avoid Cinebench like the plague and only show gaming

Perhaps, not that long to wait now and we'll find out.

At least I'll have the opportunity to use my 690 board, bought at the time of AL release, to drop a RL refresh into it if I wish to. I didn't reckon on that, so it could be an option worth considering.

Emlyn_Dewar · 11 Aug 2023 at 02:45

Vulture said:
And what do the users of 13900k and 13900ks gain from purchasing 14900k, apart from a 100W+ higher consumption and a lighter wallet? Someone mentioned platform vitality, which I consider to be when new models offer significant advancements, noticeably higher performance, etc., rather than just within a 5% margin while consuming much more power. With AMD, we had Zen 2 with a 15% IPC improvement over Zen 1, and then Zen 3 with a 19% higher IPC compared to Zen 2. Additionally, there's Zen 3-3d which offers significantly higher 0.1%/1% low fps in gaming. Transitioning from Zen 1 and Zen 2 to Zen 3-3d is substantial, and that's what I consider true platform vitality.

But you're skipping CPUs at this point, changing the goalposts slightly. How often does moving from one top end SKU to the next one, yield great results? It's like a 1800X user being disappointed by the performance boost from the 2700X. Or a 3800X/3950X owner not feeling the need to move to the 5800X/5950X. There was more performance offered here, but it wasn't life changing.
Might sound crazy, but owners of the 13900K/S really don't need an upgrade yet. If they love to burn money, they have the option though.

Grimley Fiendish · 11 Aug 2023 at 11:58

I upgraded my 4690k to z690 ( b-grade) with 12100 so I'm happy there's an additional upgrade route available. Those with high end chips already are ever likely to be disappointed.

Perfect_Chaos · 11 Aug 2023 at 22:59

Emlyn_Dewar said:
But you're skipping CPUs at this point, changing the goalposts slightly. How often does moving from one top end SKU to the next one, yield great results? It's like a 1800X user being disappointed by the performance boost from the 2700X. Or a 3800X/3950X owner not feeling the need to move to the 5800X/5950X. There was more performance offered here, but it wasn't life changing.
Might sound crazy, but owners of the 13900K/S really don't need an upgrade yet. If they love to burn money, they have the option though.

I agree you can safely skip one gen, 15-20% or so may not be noticeable enough depending on what you do, the gen after would likely be a good leap though.
It also depends if it's the usual % jump or less, if it's higher it may be worth it.

Zen 1 and Zen + had higher latency which I saw some complain about its snappiness, or issues with audio work etc, so upgrading to Zen 2 for those who had earlier chips probably was worth it.

Grim5 · 12 Aug 2023 at 06:17

Intel 14th Gen launches next month according to MLID

henry hoov3r · 12 Aug 2023 at 08:45

Does it still use the LGA 1700 socket ive got a z690 gathering dust.

Dave2150 · 12 Aug 2023 at 09:44

henry hoov3r said:
Does it still use the LGA 1700 socket ive got a z690 gathering dust.

Yeap!

My Maximus Hero Z690, bought for £550 back in October 2021, has turned out to be exceedingly good value

Also had £100 cashback from an ASUS promotion at the time I believe.

henry hoov3r · 12 Aug 2023 at 09:49

Dave2150 said:
Yeap!

My Maximus Hero Z690, bought for £550 back in October 2021, has turned out to be exceedingly good value Also had £100 cashback from an ASUS promotion at the time I believe.

Mine is only DDR4 tho. I bought it when DDR5 was really scarce.

Vimes · 12 Aug 2023 at 09:51

henry hoov3r said:
Mine is only DDR4 tho. I bought it when DDR5 was really scarce.

It should still work, be interesting to see, same position myself, how much performance differences there will be between those with DDR 4 and 5. Differences in actual day to day use and games, not benchmarks.

Dave2150 · 12 Aug 2023 at 09:57

Vimes said:
It should still work, be interesting to see, same position myself, how much performance differences there will be between those with DDR 4 and 5. Differences in actual day to day use and games, not benchmarks.

With a 4090 and 7200Mhz + DDR5, it can be up to 5-10% faster in games. No brainer with current prices, though as mentioned by Henry above, DDR5 was very expensive on launch (£600 for a 6400Mhz kit etc)

14th gen with DDR4 will still be an awesome setup.

henry hoov3r · 12 Aug 2023 at 10:00

Dave2150 said:
With a 4090 and 7200Mhz + DDR5, it can be up to 5-10% faster in games. No brainer with current prices, though as mentioned by Henry above, DDR5 was very expensive on launch (£600 for a 6400Mhz kit etc)

14th gen with DDR4 will still be an awesome setup.

I think at the time I bought the board DDR5 was being scalped such was the scarcity of it.

Vimes · 12 Aug 2023 at 10:03

Dave2150 said:
With a 4090 and 7200Mhz + DDR5, it can be up to 5-10% faster in games. No brainer with current prices, though as mentioned by Henry above, DDR5 was very expensive on launch (£600 for a 6400Mhz kit etc)

14th gen with DDR4 will still be an awesome setup.

It wasn't just the expense, I too bought into AL at launch. It was also having 2x16GB of 3200Mhz Corsair RAM that I could still use in the DDR4 board for AL.
I can live with that 5 to 10% difference, considering it would cost a new board and the RAM to get there. It would not be as bad if there were going to be more CPU choices for the 1700 socket after these refresh CPU's are being released, that would kinda soften the blow.

Dave2150 · 12 Aug 2023 at 10:15

Vimes said:
It wasn't just the expense, I too bought into AL at launch. It was also having 2x16GB of 3200Mhz Corsair RAM that I could still use in the DDR4 board for AL.
I can live with that 5 to 10% difference, considering it would cost a new board and the RAM to get there. It would not be as bad if there were going to be more CPU choices for the 1700 socket after these refresh CPU's are being released, that would kinda soften the blow.

Yeah that makes sense. I did say "upto 5-10%" as in some games there is next to no difference at all.

DarrenM343 · 12 Aug 2023 at 10:24

So, is this a clue these are out of stock until superseded? Or, just a mistake? Note the year is wrong in any case

Vimes · 12 Aug 2023 at 11:23

Dave2150 said:
Yeah that makes sense. I did say "upto 5-10%" as in some games there is next to no difference at all.

.....all the more reason for me to not bother with DDR5 and a new board, if I needed any more.

Often sense does not prevail tho with PC hardware choices, especially when playing the "basket game".

Grim5 · 13 Aug 2023 at 06:41

Photos of meteor lake desktop cpus

Keep in mind these are very early engineering samples, and they are from before Intel decided to skip meteor lake for desktop so these CPUs are the only meteor lake desktop chips that will ever exist

The photos also allow you to see the new LGA1851 socket, which will now be used for Alder Lake next year

Intel's canceled Meteor Lake-S CPU for LGA-1851 socket has been pictured - VideoCardz.com

Early engineering sample of Intel’s future processor spotted in the wild The very first photograph of the next-gen desktop CPU happens to be of the canceled SKU. Intel Meteor Lake-S LGA-1851 CPU, Source: @wnxod The desktop platform known as Meteor Lake-S might have been scrapped, but it appears...

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Vimes · 13 Aug 2023 at 07:24

Grim5 said:
Photos of meteor lake desktop cpus

Keep in mind these are very early engineering samples, and they are from before Intel decided to skip meteor lake for desktop so these CPUs are the only meteor lake desktop chips that will ever exist

The photos also allow you to see the new LGA1851 socket, which will now be used for Alder Lake next year

Intel's canceled Meteor Lake-S CPU for LGA-1851 socket has been pictured - VideoCardz.com

Early engineering sample of Intel’s future processor spotted in the wild The very first photograph of the next-gen desktop CPU happens to be of the canceled SKU. Intel Meteor Lake-S LGA-1851 CPU, Source: @wnxod The desktop platform known as Meteor Lake-S might have been scrapped, but it appears...

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Isn't the next gen (LGA 1851) for desktops now going to be "Arrow Lake"...? Interesting photos of a cancelled ML for desktops.

Grim5 · 13 Aug 2023 at 07:41

Vimes said:
Isn't the next gen (LGA 1851) for desktops now going to be "Arrow Lake"...? Interesting photos of a cancelled ML for desktops.

Yeah arrow lake, Intel names are so similar

Dave2150 · 20 Aug 2023 at 17:52

https://videocardz.com/sections/rumor
Intel LGA-1851 platform rumored to continue through 2026, no DDR4 support

Intel LGA-1851 platform rumored to continue through 2026, no DDR4 support - VideoCardz.com

Intel LGA-1851 planned for 2024-2026 According to TLC (@leaf_hobby) Intel has started distributing first Arrow Lake-S engineering samples. While the leaker cautions that the tweets haven’t been completely verified, the source has previously disclosed confidential information which turned out to...

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Assuming Arrow Lake (successor to 14900k) launches 2024, it will be a return to a short lived 2 year socket/platform for LGA-1851/z890.