15 police officers hurt in brixton overnight

[TheVoice]

Oh I dunno, considering what happened in multiple jurisdictions regarding rape gangs (racism is just an excuse imo)... doesn't look like much changed from this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-57485617

It was decades ago and that very programme resulted in massive changes in how rape cases are handled and investigated and rape victims are treated.

Virtually nothing in policing is the same as it was back then, saying "not much has changed" is completely false and rather uninformed.

 

[explicit4u]

The problem is that companies and governments don't have beliefs, they have people, who have beliefs. An inanimate object can't have beliefs, a man-made structure can't have beliefs. People have beliefs. And so if someone is calling a government institutionally racist they're actually saying some of the people within government are racist. Which may or may not be true, but you will never stop people being racist. And also goes to show a system or institution can't be racist. The people within it certainly can though.

If the government or a company/organisation have a way of operating, be that policies or guidance, that discriminates because of race or culture, that is systemic/institutional racism. It doesn't necessarily need a certain person at that company to actually be a racist, especially if they are acting out of ignorance.

 

[The Running Man]

If the government or a company/organisation have a way of operating, be that policies or guidance, that discriminates because of race or culture, that is systemic/institutional racism. It doesn't necessarily need a certain person at that company to actually be a racist, especially if they are acting out of ignorance.

Thats true, for example I often see mixed races in my local kfc, mcdonalds or nandos etc.

Venture into any Asian owned takeaway or restaurant and I basically see no white people employed in the kitchen, as waitors or drivers.

Yet the area is 80% white, so there must be institutional racism in the recruitment policies in some of these establishments right?

 

[Raz]

Thats true, for example I often see mixed races in my local kfc, mcdonalds or nandos etc.

Venture into any Asian owned takeaway or restaurant and I basically see no white people employed in the kitchen, as waitors or drivers.

Yet the area is 80% white, so there must be institutional racism in the recruitment policies in some of these establishments right?

It's not racism, it's just people looking after their own...

Oh wait...

 

[The Running Man]

It's not racism, it's just people looking after their own...

Oh wait...

Care to reply to my previous post (last post last page) but you can see this implied racism is certainly not 1 way.

 

[explicit4u]

Thats true, for example I often see mixed races in my local kfc, mcdonalds or nandos etc.

Venture into any Asian owned takeaway or restaurant and I basically see no white people employed in the kitchen, as waitors or drivers.

Yet the area is 80% white, so there must be institutional racism in the recruitment policies in some of these establishments right?

More likely to be nepotism rather than institutional racism but I guess you could argue one leads to the other.

Is there a reason you always turn the conversation towards minorities?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Sweeping generalisation. Also quite possibly because the majority of this boards users are...white males.

I'll agree they probably are white but I'm not accusing the majority of making such comments. Its always the same minority of posters here.

Can white people not be the victims of racism?

Of course they can. I'm white and I was racially abused. Everyone regardless of skin colour can be racist. I don't see many black or brown people saying racism isn't a thing here though.

Another sweeping generalisation.

Some PEOPLE balk at the constant notion of institutional racism because all too often where it is alleged it's not proven or actually doesn't exist. Racial equality in this country is exemplary (albeit not perfect) we had, up until recently, a much more accepting society than pretty much any country I can think of. I believe as @Raz states above this is actually being eroded because of those reasons above. There are far bigger injustices that need to be fought in this country and quite frankly the world right now that many of these protestors could turn their energy to.

Homosexual rights worldwide, systematic oppression and borderline genocide in China, female rights throughout most of Asia to name a but a few far more pressing matters.

No it isn't.

The subject of racism has occasionally come up over the years chatting with friends. I've yet to hear one of them say its never happened to them. So I'm wondering how people can imply it isn't a thing.

We aren't talking about the world, we are talking about the UK. Sadly as individuals we can't really do anything about those issues, we can do something about what happens here. What other injustices in the UK should we be talking about that push racism from the discussion?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

More likely to be nepotism rather than institutional racism but I guess you could argue one leads to the other.

Is there a reason you always turn the conversation towards minorities?

I don't think we need 10 guesses to get to the answer of that question. He is always banging on about race.

 

[The Running Man]

More likely to be nepotism rather than institutional racism but I guess you could argue one leads to the other.

Is there a reason you always turn the conversation towards minorities?

I'm just providing a balanced argument. It seems the overwhelming message is "white people racist to minorities."

Yet I have provided clear evidence of minorities raping, beating white people in racist attacks that are not being called out as racist , indicating bias in reporting standards that needs to be addressed to understand who is being racist to whom.

 

[Dis86]

The subject of racism has occasionally come up over the years chatting with friends. I've yet to hear one of them say its never happened to them. So I'm wondering how people can imply it isn't a thing.

We aren't talking about the world, we are talking about the UK. Sadly as individuals we can't really do anything about those issues, we can do something about what happens here. What other injustices in the UK should we be talking about that push racism from the discussion?

Nobody said racism isn't a thing. People are disputing institutional racism.

To also say we can't do something about those other issues is crap. We can protest. We can boycott.

 

[Raz]

Its true, when we look at the Asian rape gangs for example virtually none of the attacks on women have been labelled as racist attacks despite the vast majority of targets being white.

These are racially prejudiced attacks, but we don't hear that. That isn't called out but we know it to be true.


And while it is vile to be the victim of name calling or stereotyping, imagine you were being groomed to be raped, based upon your race.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.independent.co.uk/voices/rotherham-grooming-gang-sexual-abuse-muslim-islamist-racism-white-girls-religious-extremism-terrorism-a8261831.html?amp

I dont even want to oostende some other quotes its so disheartening just how racist some people can be.

Absolutely horrific.

Did you ever have to suffer that indignity Raz?

I wasn't being facetious if that's what you think. I recognise that racism does indeed work both ways, and whilst some are keen to point the blame squarely at white people I don't think it's that simple.

I saw a video today, it may well be something high profile and already gained attention, but I've not come across it before. It was three black boys attacking a seemingly much younger white boy. Had it been the other way around then I'm almost certain it would have been seen as a potential/likely racist attack.

In your example, are Muslims racist? Can a white Muslim be racist? I think it's a related but separate issue, since it's partly to do with how some Muslim communities and groups see non-Muslims (particularly women).

I suspect though that in some of the pedophile cases that it was easier to abuse white girls than girls from other backgrounds, but where the opportunity presented itself they raped/groomed girls within their own communities.

 

[D.P.]

Nobody said racism isn't a thing. People are disputing institutional racism.

.There is nothing to dispute, it is a provable fact

 

[The Running Man]

I wasn't being facetious if that's what you think. I recognise that racism does indeed work both ways, and whilst some are keen to point the blame squarely at white people I don't think it's that simple.

I saw a video today, it may well be something high profile and already gained attention, but I've not come across it before. It was three black boys attacking a seemingly much younger white boy. Had it been the other way around then I'm almost certain it would have been seen as a potential/likely racist attack.

In your example, are Muslims racist? Can a white Muslim be racist? I think it's a related but separate issue, since it's partly to do with how some Muslim communities and groups see non-Muslims (particularly women).

I suspect though that in some of the pedophile cases that it was easier to abuse white girls than girls from other backgrounds, but where the opportunity presented itself they raped/groomed girls within their own communities.

Looking at the patterns I dont think they were waiting outside mosque to collect Muslim girls and groom them.

There was a predicated intentional effort and plan to groom these girls. You can tell from the testimony of the victims that they were being racially abused whilst being raped.

Yet when we have discussions about racism at a national level these examples do not get brought up.

Despite tens of thousands of girls suffering. Maybe hundreds of thousands.

A drug dealer getting profiled and pulled over by the police gets more attention as a racist attack than these thousands of rape/assault cases.

So when we talk about racism, let's talk about it. Let's make sure we are targeting the right people here.

 

[Dis86]

probable fact

Oxymoron. Think you need to look up the meanings of both of those words.

 

[explicit4u]

I'm just providing a balanced argument. It seems the overwhelming message is "white people racist to minorities."

Yet I have provided clear evidence of minorities raping, beating white people in racist attacks that are not being called out as racist , indicating bias in reporting standards that needs to be addressed to understand who is being racist to whom.

Do you understand how it looks when the discussion is about racism against minorities and you only post about crimes committed by minorities?

There's a time and a place to discuss racism against white people or double standards, it's not when discussing racism carried out by white people. There's nothing wrong with providing balance to an argument but doing it when the discussion is about another form of racism only detracts from the first issue being discussed. They're both issues that need to be discussed, don't take room from one to discuss another.

 

[D.P.]

Oxymoron. Think you need to look up the meanings of both of those words.

you need to look up autocorrect

 

[D.P.]

Do you understand how it looks when the discussion is about racism against minorities and you only post about crimes committed by minorities?

There's a time and a place to discuss racism against white people or double standards, it's not when discussing racism carried out by white people. There's nothing wrong with providing balance to an argument but doing it when the discussion is about another form of racism only detracts from the first issue being discussed. They're both issues that need to be discussed, don't take room from one to discuss another.

Don't waste your time. The Running Man is racist, quite probably the most prolific racist on OCUK. Almost every single post of his is unashamed racism,his views are utterly abhorrent

 

[Dis86]

you need to look up autocorrect

Sure...autocorrect. Not you.

 

[Raz]

Looking at the patterns I dont think they were waiting outside mosque to collect Muslim girls and groom them.

There was a predicated intentional effort and plan to groom these girls. You can tell from the testimony of the victims that they were being racially abused whilst being raped.

Yet when we have discussions about racism at a national level these examples do not get brought up.

Despite tens of thousands of girls suffering. Maybe hundreds of thousands.

A drug dealer getting profiled and pulled over by the police gets more attention as a racist attack than these thousands of rape/assault cases.

So when we talk about racism, let's talk about it. Let's make sure we are targeting the right people here.

That's not what I said, or implied.

But in any case, your focus seems to be purely on the negative, of immigration and of Muslims. I mentioned this in the other thread.

I agree that racism works both ways but you keep bringing it back to Muslims and whatever negative impact of immigration there is.

There's having an open and honest discussion and having an open mind, but I don't think many posters here see that with you and your views.

 

[Raz]

Don't waste your time. The Running Man is racist, quite probably the most prolific racist on OCUK. Almost every single post of his is unashamed racism,his views are utterly abhorrent

I think it's just someone who is worried about all the changes that immigration brings, particularly Muslims. I do get the distinct impression that it's mainly to do with non-white people, but for all I know his best friend is black...

Anyway, it should be about the argument and not the person...