15 police officers hurt in brixton overnight

Unfortunately your post is quite ignorant to many things @ianh

Being stopped because of what you are driving is not the same as being stopped because you match a stereotype of a criminal or violent offender. But can I ask you how many times they searched your car causing damage? How many times did they take you out onto the road side and pat you down? How many times did they call for another car and separate you from your passengers for full interrogation of why you were where you were at the time?


I've had many, many, many interactions with police throughout my life - not once have I been nervous when they've approached me in my car even though I've had all of the above done to me multiple times - but they're encountered on the street, or in the city, or at my home you are damn right I'm nervous.


To add context to this, I've grown up with all these people you see who hate the police, disrespect them, have extremely bad encounters with them - fortunately I was brought up respectfully and have a decent brain for reading people and situations so my behaviour is always spot on, I guarantee.

The behaviour of each police officer encountered cannot be anticipated unfortunately, as with all walks of life you encounter those good at their job and those bad at their job, you also encounter those with attitude issue and those of a kind heart.

This being the case means it does not matter how nice and polite I was, it did not stop me from being racially abused on multiple occasions, it did not stop me from being man-handled by officers on multiple occasions (and I have been thrown out of a hell of a lot of night-clubs by bouncers before they were regulated so am well aware of how badly the police did it in comparison), it did not stop me from being overlooked for assistance when I was in obvious need, it did not stop me from being accused and searched unnecessarily when simply going about my day.



So this goes for both perspectives: You can use the actions of a few to tar the whole group or you can understand the complexity that each individual situation would have.
 
Simple human nature, one is wary of and possibly fearful or confrontational with those that have previously given you grief. From inanimate objects, through animals to other people. I distrust Italian and French car's reliability, I am wary and potentially ready to defend or flee in the company of some breeds of dog, and those that look like Somalians get my adrenaline going. Simply because of the fight or flight brain patterns brought on by being stranded by umpteen French or Italian cars breaking down, being mauled by an Anatolian Karabash, and mugged by two Somalians. The police are, against popular belief, merely human beings going about a difficult and potentially dangerous job, if statistics and previous experience shows they may get grief from, or find unlawfulness committed by, certain demographics they will and should act accordingly.
 
^Humans are good at forming patterns that keep them alive because it's been naturally selected since before there were humans.

Those defective in this area get selected out by going to meetings with jihadis or cycling around dangerous parts of the world.
 
Unfortunately your post is quite ignorant to many things @ianh

......and isn't your singular viewpoint just as "ignorant" as my singular viewpoint?

So to reiterate my post - regardless of how the Police treat you, don't react negatively/aggressively and comply with the Officers during the event even if you think they're wrong at the time - that was the single point of my post and, by following that very simple rule, I've never been beaten, tasered or dragged from my car by the racist fascist Police Nazi's that only Black people seem to experience according to some, but then again I'm White so that must be the only reason that my encounters all end peaceably right, nothing else but my skin colour?
 
Well sort of, which is why I concluded with:

"this goes for both perspectives: You can use the actions of a few to tar the whole group or you can understand the complexity that each individual situation would have."

My "singular viewpoint" was a combination of examples which countered the insinuations within your post.

A post which, by the way, you did not need to reiterate but in doing so shows either a willful disregard for, or inability to understand, the point of my post.


You were nice and polite with the police and it was all positive, I was nice and polite with the police and it was all negative. What's the difference between me and you, again? We were both nice and polite yet had completely different encounters... "multiple times" we've both stated so can't argue they were one offs.
 
@NVP - The only point to my post, which you also seem to agree with as it's what you did in your posts, was simply this "regardless of how the Police treat you, don't react negatively/aggressively and comply with the Officers during the event even if you think they're wrong at the time" - thats the important bit as that is the only part YOU can control, the rest is up to the Police.
 
Yes I do, and do you know that if people stay calm, act sensibly & rationally and do what they're asked (even if they disagree with it at the time) then the outcome is usually far less dangerous for everyone involved?

If they want to they are then free to complain to the Police about the event afterwards and will probably get an apology as well, but "kicking off" (my choice of words) or getting angry with the Officers at the time does nothing but guarantee a far more negative experience for everyone involved.

After the 4th-5th time I was annoyed at being pulled yet again but that didn't make me think that is was OK to act in an openly hostile way to the Police who continued to pull me over. Instead I acted as I always did, regardless of any feelings of annoyance I may have felt, and therefore none of my interactions escalated like I see happening in Ms Butlers video.

But ,again, some people think that the way I was treated must only be because of my White privilege and absolutely no other reason :D
Everything you have said there is spot on mate i saw a thing on sky news about police in London and they were stopping young black lads for legitimate reasons one had a massive knife on him and the police said you always get a crowd that turn up and start kicking off the black women are the worst.
 
The only point to my post, ... don't react negatively/aggressively and comply with the Officers during the event
Yes, sure it was...

But ,again, some people think that the way I was treated must only be because of my White privilege and absolutely no other reason :D

but then again I'm White so that must be the only reason that my encounters all end peaceably right, nothing else but my skin colour?
 
Everything you have said there is spot on mate i saw a thing on sky news about police in London and they were stopping young black lads for legitimate reasons one had a massive knife on him and the police said you always get a crowd that turn up and start kicking off the black women are the worst.
Well, the intellect of the easily impressionable is dramatically on display here.
 
Yes, sure it was...

Yes, it was.

The quotes you chose were aimed at the people who think that it is JUST your skin colour which makes a difference to how the Police treat you and nothing else, as they seem to think that if you're White then everything will be OK and if you're Black everything will be bad when that's obviously not true. Are you one of those people? I don't think you are but thats just my guess however.
 
Well considering I was nice and polite and got called a **** on multiple occasions by different police officers...

And considering I was minding my own business then had a brick smacked into my face in front of police officers by a group of skin heads without them ever moving a muscle...

Also considering I was merely driving to visit a friend and was kept out of my car for hours whilst they damaged it in the pursuit of nonsense...

And considering the times I was obstructed, held and searched when walking around on my own business...


I'm definitely not one who's blind to reality.
 
Well sort of, which is why I concluded with:

"this goes for both perspectives: You can use the actions of a few to tar the whole group or you can understand the complexity that each individual situation would have."

My "singular viewpoint" was a combination of examples which countered the insinuations within your post.

A post which, by the way, you did not need to reiterate but in doing so shows either a willful disregard for, or inability to understand, the point of my post.


You were nice and polite with the police and it was all positive, I was nice and polite with the police and it was all negative. What's the difference between me and you, again? We were both nice and polite yet had completely different encounters... "multiple times" we've both stated so can't argue they were one offs.

One major point that you've neglected in your post is that you've spoken about multiple encounters whether it be police or, as may be very pertinent, door staff at clubs.
The one commonality is you and your perception of your behaviour. You believe you were acting reasonably or were being polite. Given the multiple occurrences with you as a point of commonality, is it not probable that you are Infact the problem and are unable to perceive that?
I mean...door staff don't typically chuck you out for nothing.
 
If I did not think my behaviour was at least on par with the anecdotal politeness I was replying to then I would not have made the comparison.

Your inference is incorrect, multiple things about my person are key targets for violence from bigoted drunks and macho idiots, at a time where security didn't hesitate to go for the biggest, darkest one.

I'm a peace-loving, ganja-smoking, lady-slaying gentleman brought up with the core principles of one-humanity - not some neanderthal :)

@doodah - how was my behaviour with Police, or with anyone for that matter, the time we were pulled in my e34? It was a positive encounter however, as that police lady did take a liking to me, didn't she hahaha! :D (and I think any other details of that day should be kept to a minimum!)
 
What, for my birthday :p? A total gentleman, that was a good road trip :D!

@Dis86 - perhaps for the most part, but it does happen. I have been refused entry (definitely wasn't due to numbers/too many men inside) and thrown out a couple of times for nothing and have seen the same done to others.
 
What, for my birthday :p? A total gentleman, that was a good road trip :D!

@Dis86 - perhaps for the most part, but it does happen. I have been refused entry (definitely wasn't due to numbers/too many men inside) and thrown out a couple of times for nothing and have seen the same done to others.

There's a difference between being refused entry a couple of times and chucked out many times
 
Well considering I was nice and polite and got called a **** on multiple occasions by different police officers...

And considering I was minding my own business then had a brick smacked into my face in front of police officers by a group of skin heads without them ever moving a muscle...

Also considering I was merely driving to visit a friend and was kept out of my car for hours whilst they damaged it in the pursuit of nonsense...

And considering the times I was obstructed, held and searched when walking around on my own business...


I'm definitely not one who's blind to reality.
Yeah right mate someone smashed a brick in your face in front of the coppers and they just stood there and watched lol never happened stop making things up.
 
This thread reminds me of why I have spent most of today tired.

A street party was started just up the road from me about 1am, after an hour and half or so roughly, they still had not gone, rang the police, but I think they never sent a unit, was at least 20 of them, all or mostly drunk, singing, shouting etc. I eventually did fall to sleep about 4am, it was still going on then, but dont know when it stopped or if the police ever bothered to do anything. Just hoping it doesnt become a regular thing with the curfew.
 
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