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StarShock said:
yeah, the whole K thing is a bit of a middle finger. The whole idea of overclocking was to get extra performance without paying extra. Intel locking the chips that you'd actually want to overclock then charge a premium for chips that are already close to the high end of what they are capable of.

In an ideal world we'd be buying things like the 6400 for under £180 and clocking them past the £240 6600.


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It's really sad to hear they've started locking chips. I was definitely around for the whole 775 C2D/C2Q scene but haven't really looked in since then. What drove them to do this? Is it the same with AMD? Didn't seem to be much of an issue back in the day.
 
umkay said:
It's really sad to hear they've started locking chips. I was definitely around for the whole 775 C2D/C2Q scene but haven't really looked in since then. What drove them to do this? Is it the same with AMD? Didn't seem to be much of an issue back in the day.
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Its ever since they put the memory controller on the chip and they don't have North Bridge or ht link on the motherboard. Sandy can't base clock oc much and ivy was a little better but still poor.

Now Haswell and skylake and Broadwell are artificially locked down as unlocked Haswell chips and Broadwell chips sit at 170-190mhz quite happily. Skylake can do 500+ base clock but the locked chips are locked on the vase clock as well. There is a bios you can get for most z170 boards which unlocks it and you loose power saving and the avx instructions, but it allows you to oc them as high as a k chip.
 
umkay said:
It's really sad to hear they've started locking chips. I was definitely around for the whole 775 C2D/C2Q scene but haven't really looked in since then. What drove them to do this? Is it the same with AMD? Didn't seem to be much of an issue back in the day.
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Isn't it obvious why Intel would prefer people pay more money for faster CPUs rather than buy cheaper ones and overclock them manually? I'm guessing not many people paid £1000 for a 0th generation Core i7 CPU that did 3.2 GHz when you could buy a £230 one that could easily do 4 GHz. Same thing happened with the "1st" generation chips and when Sandy Bridge came along they decided to lock down the base clock so there was no longer a choice for overclockers.
 
Purgatory said:
This is why for example Plasma TVs stopped being manufactured at 1080p as they didn't fit into the new power regulations for countries and regions around the world if they went to 4K with Plasma.
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Off-topic but this wound me up to no end when those regulations came in. Proponents were saying that the plasma TVs gave off too much heat. I live in Britain - I'm fine with that. If the TV is colder that just means I turn up the heating to compensate. :mad:
 
I recall with fondness the day when you could just buy the base level Athlon or Pentium and be quite confident that you could clock it as high as the top of the market chips and get the same performance.
 
They had Semprons and Celerons for the real plebs.

Intel have shifted the market towards overclocking being about getting the best performance from premium hardware. For me the attraction's always been getting premium performance on a budget. Unfortunately recent AMD chips haven't been able to manage premium performance, even with a hefty overclock.

I have very little desire to spend a lot of money on a CPU that's already fast enough to handle everything I can throw at it and spend far too much time making it marginally faster.
 
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Its an interesting point though, the idea of overclocking is much more wide spread now, cooling is much better, and the risks are all mitigated by the chips themselves having built in failsafe's and the market for non enthusiast home PCs is much smaller... Overclocking is probably much scarier for money men running Intel than it used to be.
 
h4rm0ny said:
Off-topic but this wound me up to no end when those regulations came in. Proponents were saying that the plasma TVs gave off too much heat. I live in Britain - I'm fine with that. If the TV is colder that just means I turn up the heating to compensate. :mad:
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Ha ha. Me too. I have the radiators off in my lounge for that reason. I can sit there, baking, T-shirt off before going to bed if the TV has been on most of the day.
 
I wonder what volts/temps they've managed to get those 5ghz bundles running at. If they can keep them reasonable with what is a fairly mid-end cooling solution, I might be tempted to forget my budget outlook and splurge.
 
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