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benjii said:
I completely agree. As a Skylake owner, I'm not upgrading anytime soon. However, I can't wait to see what AMD come out with. I'm praying to the hardware Gods for something competitive.
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TBH thinking about it more, it all depends on how much premium OCUK will charge for the delid service.

Bearing in mind a delid tool is £50 to buy on it's own, I can't see OCUK selling delidded Kabylakes (which should all do 4.9Gh+) for less than £100, when you consider labour charges and the premium for being the only retailer offering services like this.

For me, £100 for 200-300Mhz more is not worth it, I think it will be the same for many.

Maybe the price premium will be far more reasonable, we'll see :)
 
Just upgraded to Skylake a couple days ago, should I of waited till kabylake and Zen came out, maybe. Am i disappointed with Skylake, nope I love it. I'm sure Skylake will last me for along time.
 
bakes0310 said:
Just upgraded to Skylake a couple days ago, should I of waited till kabylake and Zen came out, maybe. Am i disappointed with Skylake, nope I love it. I'm sure Skylake will last me for along time.
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You definitely should have waited. Skylake's resale price will drop dramatically, now that it is end of life.

Kabylake is a superior CPU, it will clock between 200-400Mhz more than a Skylake CPU will. You'll not notice that in games right now, but maybe in a year or so when GPU's are much faster the extra few hundred Mhz will make a larger difference.

That said I'd strongly recommend everyone to wait and see what Zen is like. I'd imagine Intel will dramatically reduce their prices IF Zen is all it's promised to be.

We could be talking £100 price reductions on Intel's little quad cores.
 
benjii said:
I completely agree. As a Skylake owner, I'm not upgrading anytime soon. However, I can't wait to see what AMD come out with. I'm praying to the hardware Gods for something competitive.
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The only thing that excites me about Kabylake is OCUK's delidding service. If the prices are reasonable I'll pickup a delidded 7700k, and use my current 6700k @4.7Ghz in a family members's PC.
 
Dave2150 said:
You definitely should have waited. Skylake's resale price will drop dramatically, now that it is end of life.

Kabylake is a superior CPU, it will clock between 200-400Mhz more than a Skylake CPU will. You'll not notice that in games right now, but maybe in a year or so when GPU's are much faster the extra few hundred Mhz will make a larger difference.

That said I'd strongly recommend everyone to wait and see what Zen is like. I'd imagine Intel will dramatically reduce their prices IF Zen is all it's promised to be.

We could be talking £100 price reductions on Intel's little quad cores.
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Very true, but for me I bought all the parts a few months back and due to RMA my motherboard and time commitments we were only guessing back then when many and Zen were coming out.
But aren't these kabylake CPUs supported on Skylake motherboards, so if I decide after a year or two I could just put one in my rig.
 
bakes0310 said:
Very true, but for me I bought all the parts a few months back and due to RMA my motherboard and time commitments we were only guessing back then when many and Zen were coming out.
But aren't these kabylake CPUs supported on Skylake motherboards, so if I decide after a year or two I could just put one in my rig.
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Yeap you absolutely could. Though in a year's time Intel will release Coffeelake, which will increase the core count in mainstream i7's from 4 to 6 core, so I very much doubt it will be worth upgrading from Skylake to Kabylake at that point.

Zen might make any mainstream I7 purchase a bad decision, if it's priced well.
 
Acme said:
At least that is what we are told. :D
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Minstadave said:
Yeah I'm not sure I'd be buying OEM CPUs from somewhere that was binning chips. Too easy to find their way back into stock.

Happily buy a binned one though.
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I'm not really sure what it takes to convince you then?

Surely just the risk of being found out, would destroy any relationships with Intel, that Gibbo, 8 Pack et all have worked to build.
 
Where did 8 Pack say he was working on de-lidded CPU's? The last I saw was him saying Intel work hard to improve the paste.

I'm not claiming he didn't mention de-lidded, just that if he has then I've missed it.
 
Minstadave said:
Yeah I'm not sure I'd be buying OEM CPUs from somewhere that was binning chips. Too easy to find their way back into stock.

Happily buy a binned one though.
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You can tell a Cpu that's been installed due to marks on the IHS. They messed up a few years ago with stock control and actually did send out binned CPUs by mistake - it was picked up by customers fairly quickly.

Don't know why people don't accept the answer that they just chuck the lower performing ones into lower clocked pre-builts.
 
SiDeards73 said:
Look at it this way, Kabylake is a let down for a lot of users on this forum, Gibbo will need to sell the units, it makes sense him and 8Pack etc are building hype for it with threads like this and 8Pack mentioning delidded bundles etc.

The demand for Kabylake is going to be good for people on 2500k's etc as its a half decent upgrade with the OC ability of it, but anyone above that is going to be less and less inclined to upgrade to it, but if 8Pack is doing decent binned bundles you will get impulse buyers and fence sitters to take the plunge imho.

It was never going to be Zen, CES i expect them to show Zen off again, maybe even the boost clock and maybe even cooling info with the inbuilt OC stuff it has, they may even mention lower tier Zen products, and potentially mention when we can expect it, i still expect it to be March for Zen release.
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We keep on hearing that since the 2600k days , about 3-5% increases here and there and disappointment but in some games apparently there can be a massive difference even between a 3770k vs 6700k. New tech will always been all round simply better. Granted the days of simple MHz gains are gone but technology will always move forward. If there's little difference between the price of a 6700k and top end Kaby then the Kaby will be a no brainer to me. If it's a lot more expensive then the story could be different of course.
Personally I'd always pay more to get the latest technology unless it's stupidly priced :).
I recently upgraded to the 6700k so will be not be upgrading again for a while however but if someone due for an upgrade it will probably be worth picking up the latest tech.
 
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Doop! said:
What happens to the CPUs that don't pass the binning process? Do they get put back in the box and sold as new?
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Boxes are sealed, we do not test retail stock!

We test OEM stock and the OEM stock we test is not for re-sale except in systems and pre-configured bundles.
 
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