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[Martini1991]

Interesting how you think he is an Intel fanboy when he said that the sensible option is to wait for Zen, and also said that Kabylake is boring...

Because he's a typical rampant AMD fanboy obviously lol.
For Zen, no one knows. People can point to articles, but they don't actually know anything. It'll just be out when it's out.

 

[RavenXXX2]

5ghz OC 7700k confîrmed!

But runs hot so bag the £50 delid tool with the £350+ CPU.

 

[Legend]

So the recommendation is to use something like Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra as TIM? Does that work well with watercooling and blocks? If so, that would surely see some impressive temps on a de-lidded CPU.

 

[8 Pack]

As Roman states 5g is very possible for systems but its far from all CPU can do that 24-7.

Binning to get this speed is necessary for 24/7 stability.

Ofcourse delid works well with all methods of coolinng currently available in lowering actual core temps. We use Liquid metal yes for 24-7 systems.

 

[Akagi]

8 Pack, are you allowed to comment on the temperature differences between de-lidded and not de-lidded? Have you tried putting the IHS back on with liquid pro?

I'm guessing temp difference is still quite drastic unless they have reverted to soldered IHS like Sandy?

 

[nick.lidgett]

This is starting to look like the most epic troll thread ever

 

[r7slayer]

Yes definitely Kaby Lake as Gibbo prob have 5000 Kaby Lake CPUs stockpiled to get it ready for launch few days away now, there are lots of Z270 motherboards picture leaked over the last week so retailers should have Z270 motherboards stockpiled already.

Of course Zen is not ready yet, CPU still in ES stage but retail CPU is a month or 2 months away from now and also retail AM4 motherboards did not existed yet. AMD shipped chipsets to motherboard makers last week, they should have retail AM4 motherboard prototypes build already and testing in the next few weeks then if it all go well and they will start volume production of final retail motherboards that will ship to retailers by end of Feb or March 2017.

You really talk out of your ass and its quite annoying. Because half the stuff you said is pure speculation and you have zero evidence to back it up. But state it as fact always when to the average joe may take what you say as gospel.

 

[r7slayer]

8 Pack, are you allowed to comment on the temperature differences between de-lidded and not de-lidded? Have you tried putting the IHS back on with liquid pro?

I'm guessing temp difference is still quite drastic unless they have reverted to soldered IHS like Sandy?

i doubt they will have reverted back to soldering. They have used TIM for a long time now and even samples that have gotten hold of were TIM and when liquid ultra was used temps dropped upto 30 degrees. So from engineering samples to OEM and Retail i doubt they will solder the IHS.

 

[ToTheMax]

As Roman states 5g is very possible for systems but its far from all CPU can do that 24-7.

Binning to get this speed is necessary for 24/7 stability.

Ofcourse delid works well with all methods of coolinng currently available in lowering actual core temps. We use Liquid metal yes for 24-7 systems.

Hmm, so could OCUK start selling binned and delidded CPUs? How long does liquid metal last for, lifetime of CPU?

 

[Minstadave]

Hmm, so could OCUK start selling binned and delidded CPUs?

They've already stated that's the plan.

Kabylake doesn't have a soldered IHS.

 

[Yaayuh!]

Have intel just cut corners/cheaped out and used rubbish TIM or is it just hit and miss on QC?

 

[varkanoid]

I dont get why people would want to buy a CPU that they would then need to delid to get the performance they want. Again.
When this happened with Haswell it was met with contempt. A drop of 30c doing so shows an issue with manufacturing.
As soon as you delid it kiss goodbye to your warranty. The fact OCUK are pushing a delid device around the same time this
is being released does not sit right either.

 

[h4rm0ny]

I dont get why people would want to buy a CPU that they would then need to delid to get the performance they want. Again.
When this happened with Haswell it was met with contempt. A drop of 30c doing so shows an issue with manufacturing.
As soon as you delid it kiss goodbye to your warranty. The fact OCUK are pushing a delid device around the same time this
is being released does not sit right either.

Amen to all of that. I'll overclock processors a little, because by the law of averages companies have to clock them a little lower than they usually could aim for just to keep the number of returns down to a manageable level. So there's usually something to be gained easily by ramping up the clock speed myself. But a chip sold to be de-lidded by design? That just sounds like they're artificially doing a poor job so that people can get excited about getting it back up to where it should be. With all due respect to those who like to fiddle - good for them - I want a chip that out of the box gives me close to its potential.

 

[DarrenM343]

Amen to all of that. I'll overclock processors a little, because by the law of averages companies have to clock them a little lower than they usually could aim for just to keep the number of returns down to a manageable level. So there's usually something to be gained easily by ramping up the clock speed myself. But a chip sold to be de-lidded by design? That just sounds like they're artificially doing a poor job so that people can get excited about getting it back up to where it should be. With all due respect to those who like to fiddle - good for them - I want a chip that out of the box gives me close to its potential.

Think one of the OCUK staff mentioned recently Intel do take the cooling very seriously and they don't just chuck any old paste on there. For some every MHz matters but for most of us the chip as it's sold is more than good enough. There's nothing sub-standard about it or the paste used.

if OCUK offer their own delidding service then I'm sure they'll offer they're own warranty with it or do a deal with Intel to allow them to sell the parts with the Intel warranty intact.

 

[Legend]

I dont get why people would want to buy a CPU that they would then need to delid to get the performance they want. Again.
When this happened with Haswell it was met with contempt. A drop of 30c doing so shows an issue with manufacturing.
As soon as you delid it kiss goodbye to your warranty. The fact OCUK are pushing a delid device around the same time this
is being released does not sit right either.

Will be interesting from a legal perspective if OCUK are going to be selling de-iddded CPUs with zero warranty lol! Somehow I think this is unlikely.

You'd be surprised how many people will pay a premium for a CPU that is all but guaranteed to run 20-30 degrees cooler! That's a huge drop. People have been doing crazy things to CPUs for years, lapping comes to mind, to shave off just a few degrees.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

Think one of the OCUK staff mentioned recently Intel do take the cooling very seriously and they don't just chuck any old paste on there. For some every MHz matters but for most of us the chip as it's sold is more than good enough. There's nothing sub-standard about it or the paste used.

If there is even near a 30 degree difference in temps when delidded and with the use of cool labs. liquid then yes absolutely Intel have cheaped out on the TIM and no they clearly do not take it seriously (other than from a financial factor).

if OCUK offer their own delidding service then I'm sure they'll offer they're own warranty with it or do a deal with Intel to allow them to sell the parts with the Intel warranty intact.

Without a doubt and that will be how much to pay OC's due to Intel using cheap crap TIM yet again? No offence to OC's but that will make it one very expensive CPU!

 

[Dirk Diggler]

Amen to all of that. I'll overclock processors a little, because by the law of averages companies have to clock them a little lower than they usually could aim for just to keep the number of returns down to a manageable level. So there's usually something to be gained easily by ramping up the clock speed myself. But a chip sold to be de-lidded by design? That just sounds like they're artificially doing a poor job so that people can get excited about getting it back up to where it should be. With all due respect to those who like to fiddle - good for them - I want a chip that out of the box gives me close to its potential.

8 Pack has already explained this. OCUK will be binning chips to get the OC and temperatures that they want. There's no way OCUK will sell a delidded chip with no warranty.

Intel use the paste they do for guaranteed thermal performance, just in the same way that I bought a 5930k that was guaranteed to clock at 3.7GHz yet I have it sitting comfortably at 4.4GHz with a mere 1.26v.

 

[Legend]

There's no way OCUK will sell a delidded chip with no warranty.

Exactly. I highly doubt they'd even be allowed to do that... would break all kinds of consumer regulations, not to mention infuriate everyone lol!

 

[8 Pack]

Guys I have already said this several times. The delidded chips we supply will all be binned and full warranty with Ocuk.

We have worked closely with Intel regarding this. I have several projects currently running with Intel and this is one of them.

Ocuk and myself also work closely with AMD but currently the work we are doing with them is all strictly NDA.

 

[DarrenM343]

Guys I have already said this several times. The delidded chips we supply will all be binned and full warranty with Ocuk.

We have worked closely with Intel regarding this. I have several projects currently running with Intel and this is one of them.

Ocuk and myself also work closely with AMD but currently the work we are doing with them is all strictly NDA.

As some say intel have cheaped out yet again, can you explain why they don't just use the different TIM anyway rather than this process having to be done ? Obviously not everyone wants the ultimate clock processor but surely if they just use a different TIM then everyone's happy ? . Obviously intel are aware of this as you're working closely with them, so know it can be improved on. Why cant they do an overclockers special with the better TIM ?