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So you're perfectly happy for AMD's mid-range to stagnate as long as nV's midrange stagnates also.

Furhtermore I'm not allowed to "bash" AMD's midrange offerings even if I'm bashing nV's midrange offerings also, because as far as you're concerned the ball is in nV's court?

No because you don't get it.

People voted for this. You are moaning at me,when FFS,the GTX1050TI and GTX1060 share is getting higher and higher each month. The GTX1070 share also has gone up. All at current prices.

People paid £100 to £200 more for a GTX1070 over a GTX970,people were willing to pay even more for GTX1080 and GTX1080TI cards.

Look at the RTX prices?? Do you think Nvidia are fools - no they are not. They literally just ditched their whole GTX1080TI and GTX1080 stocks for a min discount,and the GTX1070 at £350 has happened before. So the whole range will slowly sell out at RRP,or prices we had before. Compare that to Maxwell and Fuji,and the big discounts then.

The same applies to AMD - how many more paid £350 to £500 for Vega cards. You are acting like I am the cause of it - the last card I bought for myself from AMD was a £160 RX470 4GB. This obliterated the R9 380/GTX960 which were priced similarly only a few months more.

Its funny when you and your friends are "demanding" AMD has a £150 RX590,when their £160 RX570 8GB deals were 40% to 45% faster than their competitor. If that is not enough then WTF is enough then?

Yet people are still buying the slower cards in droves. So go moan at them,for doing that then. They are the reason Nvidia feels the need to not care that much,and AMD realises they just need to "poke" Nvidia a bit to get some sales(if offering faster cards and game bundles is a poke).

So at this point this just a waste of time argument for both of us.
 
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So you're perfectly happy for AMD's mid-range to stagnate as long as nV's midrange stagnates also.

Furhtermore I'm not allowed to "bash" AMD's midrange offerings even if I'm bashing nV's midrange offerings also, because as far as you're concerned the ball is in nV's court?

I dont think anyone would be happy with that statement. I certainly dont understand why they get away with squeezing in a 1050 3Gb, and another 1060 with faster memory, there is too many cards. It really is a bad time to be into GPU upgrades whichever hat your wearing.
 
No because you don't get it.

People voted for this. You are moaning at me.... You are acting like I am the cause of it
You're the one defending the current state of affairs. No-one is blaming you, exactly. Just why defend AMD to the hilt for a situation you obviously also find less than stellar yourself?

Every time you convince someone that their desire for progress in the mid-range is unreasonable - which is what you're attempting to do - you do your own (small) part to normalise the current lack of progress.

You should instead pick up a pitchfork and demand better - from both sides!

Also I see you're going to keep pretending that I said the 590 should be £150. You know of course that I've said nothing of the sort.
It really is a bad time to be into GPU upgrades whichever hat your wearing.
Agreed. Unless you've got a money tree.
 
So guys

Remember it’s 2pm today, shall only be Sapphire! ;)

I shall give you a preview around 11-12 but no promises because my ability to get on internet sometimes out here in Asia can be difficult depending on my location as I’m doing a lot of travelling around so WiFi or good data can sometimes be a nightmare.
 
RX580 is already ahead of a 970, so this will be a bit faster (maybe 15% over a 970?), at that res if you need more than the 970's 4GB (3.5?) VRAM then an 8GB 580/590 will be noticeably faster.

I haven't been troubled by VRAM on the GTX 970 really. Obviously it overloads with settings at Ultra, but it seems to keep to it's 3.5 GB in all the reasonable settings that this card could be expected to handle despite the resolution.

I've calculated my O/C to equal a 14.1% improvement over the stock clocked GTX 970, so buying a new card that's 15% faster than a stock 970 isn't too appealing :P
 
Let's get to basics. Would this be a decent upgrade over a GTX 970 for 3440x1440@60hz.

I'm guessing no.


I don't think so, you should.look at 1070 or vega56, preferably a 1080 second hand.

The590 might be 15% faster but that is a pretty pointless upgrade. I instead of 45fps you might get 51fps,but a 1070 should get you over 60fps
 
I've calculated my O/C to equal a 14.1% improvement over the stock clocked GTX 970, so buying a new card that's 15% faster than a stock 970 isn't too appealing :p

I don't think so, you should.look at 1070 or vega56, preferably a 1080 second hand.

The590 might be 15% faster but that is a pretty pointless upgrade. I instead of 45fps you might get 51fps,but a 1070 should get you over 60fps

Whilst it's probably not worth it from a performance point of view, you could still sell the 970 for £120 or so, sell the bundled games and as mentioned have a new warrantied card for little cost.
 
It was only more expensive when mining took off and I remember what happened the last time it happened too.

But the RX470 and RX570 before mining had more deals(look on HUKD). It was more the fact he was saying the RX590 needed to be £150. £150 is GTX1050TI money. I remember getting an RX470 4GB in 2016 for £160ish,and mates getting hold of the RX570 4GB before mining took off for around the same,and the 8GB RX470/RX480 cards being like £190ish. So the 8GB RX470/RX570 cards for under £160 with three AAA games is probably the cheapest they have been on average and the deals have been on for a month.However,there were deals to be had over the summer - a big retailer had the Sapphire Pulse RX580 4GB for just under £190,which my mate got hold off.

I can understand people saying £200 to £250 might be more of a pricing point for the RX590 8GB,but if the GTX1050TI has stayed stubbornly at that price,and the GTX1060 3GB cards at £180+ even with AMD throwing VRAM and games at them on their own cards pricing is not the issue here. Nvidia has made sure there are no real deals to be had on the GTX1050TI and GTX1060 3GB,so ultimately when you have had the RX470/RX480 4GB/8GB there,and certainly the RX480/RX580 4GB there,on and off during 2016,early 2017 and in the last few months,I am not sure what people expect AMD to do?? AMD has so many times offered better value for money at that level,so now it needs to be more?? Offer better than GTX1060 6GB performance for GTX1050TI money.

So that means an RX570 8GB has to be £100 and the RX580 8GB has to be £125,and the Vega64 has to be £250?? That is the kind of pricing you are looking at if you base your range around a £150 RX590.

I can only see that if Nvidia decide to launch a sub £300 GTX2060 with GTX1070 performance and AMD needs to drop pricing.

Regarding naming,Nvidia has pushed up pricing tiers again so might use larger than normal GPUs,so I hadn't realised it might mean more tiering happening so yeah you might be right. I can see the GTX2060 being a £300 to £350 card with GTX1070 performance,unless they call it the GTX2060TI. Then have a GTX2060 which is probably a tad faster than a GTX1060,ie,matching a RX590 for around £230 to £250. Then the GTX2050TI will be a £150 to £200,and will be RX570 level. Then a GTX2050 at £100 to £150 which will be probably a bit faster than a GTX1050TI. All the reviews will compare tier to tier,so the jump looks massive,and I expect it will be the best thing since sliced bread. So all the people saying the RX590 should be £150,will be going wow at the performance jump. AMD will be doomed as usual.

Now,if Nvidia do release GTX1070 level performance under £300,now that might be something then,but it seems only AMD needs to do these kind of these price/performance jumps(since RX590 level performance of £150 would be equivalent price/performance to a Vega64 card at £250).

This is why if we even had a £250 Navi GPU with GTX1080 performance for £250(which I doubt),it probably wouldn't be enough. I expect the excuse is that it will not do RTX and DLSS then.

Ultimately I can see within a few years AMD not bothering - they might try a surge now with Navi,etc but I dunno whether its just wasted money TBH. I think most of the GPU development is probably due to consoles now,and any professional markets AMD might be able to get a niche in.

I could be wrong,but it seems investing in CPU has given them much more dividends quicker. Imagine if AMD launched faster more efficient and faster CPUs before Intel for 6 to 9 months before Intel could?? Imagine how well they would do. They have done that with GPUs and it didn't pan out as well as everyone thought.

A 590 at £150 is illogical in today's market. I can only think he is thinking that the price of 290x was x amount and given how many years ago that a card offering 30% more performance should now be £150, given the time passed and how technology and pricing should have improved in that time. Essentially he feels he should get Vega 56 performance for £250 if the tranjectory of price/performance followed the prior generation. That discounts the fall of the pound, the mining craze and the fact we're on the backend of AMDs last card that has essentially been tweeked. And just maybe AMD lost money with the investment in the 290 and it's relative lack of sales.

The mining prices did still make the Nvidia 1060 3gb the best mid range deal for quite a while. Anyone buying a 1050 TI weren't just discriminating against AMD but also the much better 1060 lite. And the 1060 lite really was a con by Nvidia because it's not the same card as the 6gb and Nvidia know people not in the know will read benchmarks of the 6gb and assume the 3gb is as good. But it's still far better than a 1050ti

And despite the lack of VRAM let's not pretend the 1060 3gb doesn't hold up against the 570 and 580 at the moment. Although I think with AMDs DX12, Freesynch, larger memory and improving drivers it maybe a case of some fine wine.

AMD definitely are wanting to bring in there nextgen tech for the PS5, that seems obvious. And many are picking Nvidia to release there next gen some time after Navi. Initially analysis of Navi's progress in this gen doesn't sound like it's a huge leap.
 
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