£1m to prove an afterlife.

Loki said:
James Randi is a crank and worse than any Charlatan of a medium
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Don't be silly.
James Randi has spent decades making fools out of these conmen and in no way can you compare him or make him worse.
I really wish they would repeat the 6 part series he had on TV about 20 years ago - it was one of the best programs I've ever seen.
 
dmpoole said:
Don't be silly.
James Randi has spent decades making fools out of these conmen and in no way can you compare him or make him worse.
I really wish they would repeat the 6 part series he had on TV about 20 years ago - it was one of the best programs I've ever seen.
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He is not a scientist, nobody is interested in his nonsense. He has been kicked out of his own magic circle. Its like me saying I will give £1m pounds for proof of the loch ness monster. It has absolutley no value except to increase my own celebrity. It's an absolute hollow straw man challenge

Moreover if he was so damn sure as he has been for the many years you say then why has he not spent the money himself to prove or disprove the evidence(or lack of it) for the after life.

JREF said:
At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event
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Proper observing conditions, defined by non scientific methods. Talk about a completely loaded dice. I would rather trust tha Great Gonzo at the local circus than listen to that crack pot
 
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ArmyofHarmony said:
none of us remotely understand what's going on
Robbie G said:
Talk for yourself.
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Oh so you *know* what happens when we die then?

He's perfectly right in saying that nobody knows what goes on when we die. It's one of mankind's great unanswered questions. Science assumes nothing happens due to logical medical data. However this doesn't conclusively prove an after life doesn't exist. Science doesn't even seek to prove anything, it just draws up a model based on the available data and predicts an outcome. In this case, it speculates and predicts that when we die, we cease to exist. Complete and utter oblivion. Is science going around proclaiming that is the *true* answer? No. Only misguided people like you who think science works like that do.

Remember, how can you conclusively prove an absence of something, when you don't even know how to measure and observe that something in the first place? A famous mantra sums that up perfectly: "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."

One final point to consider is scientific advancement. Back in Roman times, radiation existed. However the Romans were completely oblivious to it. They lacked the ability to measure and observe it, but it was still there. Fast forward to today's age. We now possess the knowledge and technology to measure and observe radiation. Think about it, science hasn't reached a crux on what we can understand. In a few thousand years, who knows what science will have uncovered, quite possibly something that no scientist around today has even conceived.
 
it's one of those things that we cant prove one way or the other, which makes it open for debate and one that'll never be satisfied.


sod that for a laugh, let's all have a beer instead :cool:
 
vonhelmet said:
There's only one post...

*head asplode*
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If we were back in ancient times, and I told robbie G that it's possible that one day we'd create machines that display moving images, machines that allow you to "play" virtual games (and explain to him what virtual is) he'd call me an idiot. Look whats happened... we have TVs and computers

I wonder what we'll find out about our existance in the next few thousand years, likely, nothing... but who knows



If you look up the word "wrong" in the dictionary, u'd probably see Robbie G's posts
 
Although I agree it's a bit pointless without prize money like this no interesting research would be done, companies are only going to invest in something that might make the money.

so a big thumbs up from me :)
 
He's perfectly right in saying that nobody knows what goes on when we die. It's one of mankind's great unanswered questions. Science assumes nothing happens due to logical medical data. However this doesn't conclusively prove an after life doesn't exist. Science doesn't even seek to prove anything, it just draws up a model based on the available data and predicts an outcome. In this case, it speculates and predicts that when we die, we cease to exist. Complete and utter oblivion. Is science going around proclaiming that is the *true* answer? No. Only misguided people like you who think science works like that do.
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If we extrapolate from all KNOWN factors then science and current knowledge says we as physical entities crumble to dust (our consciousness being dependant upon said biological functioning)

That would mean we would be dead.

Compare and contrast being dead with being asleep
Zero awareness if you will - sleeping without any dreams or whatever.

Now i dont know about the rest of you but when im asleep heres the thing which is crazy.....i'm not awake. So for those 8 hours or so that im having dreamless sleep i dont exist.

I would imagine the same conditions would apply when i die. i.e. ZERO consciousness

just to sum up

dreamless sleep = zero consciousness
dead = zero consciousness

And you know what? It doesnt bother me in the slightest....... why?

because i will not be conscious! How can i worry or be concerned about a state of being where i will not be awake or conscious during it? I dont worry whether i will never wake up when i go to sleep each night.

Sure the difference is i assume i will wake up again after sleeping but it is certainly not guaranteed. If i do die in my sleep i will never know.

Ultimately only the Living worry about being dead! :p

I think what we are really worried about is being ALIVE or conscious after we die....

Possibly its incomprehensible for Consciousness to study the UnLife or Void of Death. Like opposite sides of the coin...neither side can see the other but one can speculate about it...
 
I don't know what you're trying to say with that, are you claiming that I'm wrong and you already know for a fact what happens when we die?
 
iCraig said:
I don't know what you're trying to say with that, are you claiming that I'm wrong and you already know for a fact what happens when we die?
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Why cant i say something without it being about making someone right or wrong? :confused:


I was stating the limitations that we are bound by. Nevermind anyway.
 
OK, just curious because you quoted a specific sentence about me explaining why it's impossible to know for sure.

I agree that we observe within constructs. The critical factor is that constructs change. Science is too ambiguous to pin a definite answer on anything, the human race changes. In 3000 years we could have discovered anything.
 
Consciousness cannot be explained. Scientists do not know what it is exactly.

An afterlife cannot be proved or disproved. Claiming that is doesn't, as a fact, is ignorant and is probably influenced by a desire for it not to exist.

Claiming that it does exist is usually influenced by faith.
 
MookJong said:
Explain this
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it could be either the soul leaving the body, or some inscribed pattern in the brain, which is induced by hormone levels when at deaths door.
Neither at the moment can be proved or disproved, but to use that as evidence for an after life is silly.
When at deaths door huge amounts of hormones are released and these not well understood at this time.
 
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