2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

[[TW]Fox]

There's a difference between the managed, legal migration that Canada has, and the chaotic free for all that we have. That said, there were loads of Chinese people in Vancouver when I went.

Vancouver is more than 50% 'minority population' - many of the road signs for example are dual language with both Mandarin and English. The Chinese are 30% of the population.

With the notable exception of EU nationals, a separate issue, our immigration policy is no more a 'chaotic free for all' than Canada's - it is actually easier to emigrate to Canada than it is to the UK.

It's always interesting to see the wonderful irony in the comments from those who are emigrating because they dislike immigration into the UK. Better hope your new host country doesn't share your ('Your' used generally, not at you scorza) personal views...

 

[CREATIVE!11]

You are right Tefal we haven't done anything in Syria but just like the early years of the 20th century we hadn't really done anything in most of Europe yet it didn't stop the Nazi's from plunging the rest of the world in to War. They took control of Germany and then as it is human nature to overreach and extend plunged the world into a state of War.

Do you honestly believe that IS will stop once they've carved out their own nation state? No they'll keep spreading like a fire until they're stamped out like the Nazi's where. We've not learned from our history!

ISIS are not exactly as big and as powerful as Germany.

 

[Vidar]

How could they have acted more responsibly?

Well for a start by not allowing the exploitation of their natural resources, or how about by not destroying what little infrastructure they had or where this was none avoidable how about by replacing it quickly. I'm not saying no humanitarian aid was provided or that some infrastructure was replaced or improved but by no means was it on a scale significant enough to improve the quality of lives of the people.

I'd be talking about going there and building hospital and schools of the same standard we expect here, improving agriculture and roads etc, ensuring a safe corruption free election. Not the half cocked hair brained schemes that took place.

 

[Bubo]

They should make the channel tunnel into an Indianna Jones style obstacle course, with traps and stuff like in the beginning of Raiders and the the end of Last Crusade. Any that have the skills to make it across might then actually have some useful purpose. Otherwise, let nature take its course.

 

[arknor]

They should make the channel tunnel into an Indianna Jones style obstacle course, with traps and stuff like in the beginning of Raiders and the the end of Last Crusade. Any that have the skills to make it across might then actually have some useful purpose. Otherwise, let nature take its course.

I'd imagine they are running down service tunnels, we could just fill them with gas

 

[Tombstone]

It's always interesting to see the wonderful irony in the comments from those who are emigrating because they dislike immigration into the UK. Better hope your new host country doesn't share your ('Your' used generally, not at you scorza) personal views...

Just to clarify and reiterate what I said in an earlier post (purely in case that comment is aimed at me) , I am not emigrating because I dislike immigration into the UK. I am emigrating because, for a multitude of reasons, most of which have surfaced over the past 20 years of my life here, I no longer wish to live in this country. I seek a better quality of life and after several visits I found that better quality in Canada. Which is why I am heading there because there is little point in me remaining in a country that I do not wish to be in for the rest of my life when there are viable, legal opportunities for me to enjoy my life by being in another country.

 

[Xordium]

Well for a start by not allowing the exploitation of their natural resources,

No-one would be interested in the ****hole if it wasn't for the natural resources. It would irresponsible not to exploit their best asset because that is the only asset that may get them back on their feet.

I still think they should have never got rid of Saddam but they did and the only way out for that country is to use what it has and all it has is oil. It's not like some of its neighbours that have other strings to their bow. There used to be a great health service in Iraq prior to the 90's.

 

[Vidar]

ISIS are not exactly as big and as powerful as Germany.

Not yet my good man, but given a decade or two who knows, Arguably after World War 1 you could say that Germany was very much in a similar economic state as half of these middle eastern countries are now. Now I'm not suggesting that IS would come together and start rolling out tanks and planes for the foreseeable future however guerrilla fighting is much harder to stamp out, as the yanks found out in Vietnam. I'd say that makes them more dangerous not less.

 

[[TW]Fox]

Just to clarify and reiterate what I said in an earlier post (purely in case that comment is aimed at me) , I am not emigrating because I dislike immigration into the UK. I am emigrating because, for a multitude of reasons, most of which have surfaced over the past 20 years of my life here, I no longer wish to live in this country. I seek a better quality of life and after several visits I found that better quality in Canada. Which is why I am heading there because there is little point in me remaining in a country that I do not wish to be in for the rest of my life when there are viable, legal opportunities for me to enjoy my life by being in another country.

It was aimed at you - because I couldn't think of any other reason why you'd declare that you are emigrating in a thread about immigration other than because you dislike immigration (Otherwise what relevance was it?)

As your reasons appear to be completely different that seems fair enough. Canada is a beautiful country and I'd love to live there too, though the draconian holiday allowances put me off a bit

 

[Tefal]

You are right Tefal we haven't done anything in Syria but just like the early years of the 20th century we hadn't really done anything in most of Europe yet it didn't stop the Nazi's from plunging the rest of the world in to War. They took control of Germany and then as it is human nature to overreach and extend plunged the world into a state of War.

Do you honestly believe that IS will stop once they've carved out their own nation state? No they'll keep spreading like a fire until they're stamped out like the Nazi's where. We've not learned from our history!

and that's for the major powers of their region to deal with really, like say iran or Saudi Arabia, or the uae, not us.

stop brignign up the nazis and ww2, the middle east conflicts are nothing of the same scale, heck the countries involved arent even on a total war footing let alone the majority of the world like whathappened in the wars.

 

[Vidar]

No-one would be interested in the ****hole if it wasn't for the natural resources. It would irresponsible not to exploit their best asset because that is the only asset that may get them back on their feet.

I still think they should have never got rid of Saddam but they did and the only way out for that country is to use what it has and all it has is oil. It's not like some of its neighbours that have other strings to their bow. There used to be a great health service in Iraq prior to the 90's.

Exploitation no matter what spin you put on it is wrong! A countries natural resources should be their own to do with as they please, however I agree in the case of Iraq that is pretty much all they have so why not pay them fairly for it instead of exploiting it? If not by paying them directly with the cash at first using the generated funds to pay for the massive redevelopment of their country.

 

[Tombstone]

It was aimed at you - because I couldn't think of any other reason why you'd declare that you are emigrating in a thread about immigration other than because you dislike immigration (Otherwise what relevance was it?)

As your reasons appear to be completely different that seems fair enough. Canada is a beautiful country and I'd love to live there too, though the draconian holiday allowances put me off a bit

It is a beautiful place indeed.

As for why I mentioned it, as I mentioned, sort of, in the earlier post I made. The lack of action and overall mess thats currently going on regarding the illegal immigrants is merely another thing that made me glad that I am emigrating (one thing, amongst many others). I have no issue with immigration at all. Its a good thing when handled well. Illegal immigration on the other hand , obviously, I do have an issue with. Ineptitude in managing a crisis situation (any crisis) is also something I have an issue with. But yes, I have many reasons, overall, I loved the first 20 years of my life in the UK but the past 20 years. Just no.

 

[arknor]

Not yet my good man, but given a decade or two who knows, Arguably after World War 1 you could say that Germany was very much in a similar economic state as half of these middle eastern countries are now. Now I'm not suggesting that IS would come together and start rolling out tanks and planes for the foreseeable future however guerrilla fighting is much harder to stamp out, as the yanks found out in Vietnam. I'd say that makes them more dangerous not less.

I'm pretty sure hitler stole most of the wealth and resources from neighbouring countries

 

[StriderX]

Exploitation no matter what spin you put on it is wrong! A countries natural resources should be their own to do with as they please, however I agree in the case of Iraq that is pretty much all they have so why not pay them fairly for it instead of exploiting it? If not by paying them directly with the cash at first using the generated funds to pay for the massive redevelopment of their country.

I'm sure investors would endear to that wholeheartedly...

Its simply not relevant, the whole idea of fracking and shale in the Americas was to wean them off of OPEC oil, which it more or less has...so much so that OPEC wont stop producing to increase the price as it would mean game over.

Iraq's supplies are irrelevant.

 

[Vidar]

and that's for the major powers of their region to deal with really, like say iran or Saudi Arabia, or the uae, not us.

stop brignign up the nazis and ww2, the middle east conflicts are nothing of the same scale, heck the countries involved arent even on a total war footing let alone the majority of the world like whathappened in the wars.

It might not be on the same scale, yet. But it's the same process taking place. Though if the Nazi example irks you I suppose I could use Cromwell and the almost nationally ingrained hatred of the English as a result and the more domestic terrorism that was rife in the last century.

This attitude of its someone elses problem isn't helping anyone, if people keep passing the book where does it end? Ideally you're right Iran and Saudi Arabia etc should take charge but with those countries like the rest of the world only focused on their own self interests they wont. But then they aren't responsible for the current state of affairs 'We' are because we took it upon ourselves to get involved in the first place.

 

[[TW]Fox]

It is a beautiful place indeed.

As for why I mentioned it, as I mentioned, sort of, in the earlier post I made. The lack of action and overall mess thats currently going on regarding the illegal immigrants is merely another thing that made me glad that I am emigrating (one thing, amongst many others). I have no issue with immigration at all. Its a good thing when handled well. Illegal immigration on the other hand , obviously, I do have an issue with. Ineptitude in managing a crisis situation (any crisis) is also something I have an issue with. But yes, I have many reasons, overall, I loved the first 20 years of my life in the UK but the past 20 years. Just no.

Canada has illegal immigrants too. Less than we do but this is more due to the geographical isolation of Canada and it's location relative to the source of the immigrants more than any sort of super amazing way of handling the problem.

The 'lack of action' in the current situation is more because well what exactly can you do quickly? It's not 'the country going to the dogs' its more that this is all happening in France - where we can hardly deploy the army or start gunning people down or whatever else it is everyone expects we rush out and do right away.

How DO you quickly and easily solve the problem?

 

[StriderX]

Stop trading with France until they grow some hair on their chest.

 

[Blackjack Davy]

So its politically incorrect now to refer to them as "swarms".. the Lefties are getting more desperate to score political points/look ridiculous by the day, honestly you couldn't make it up.

More of them tried it again last night and the calls for putting the army in will now get louder.

And do what exactly? Shoot them? They might get away with it in Afghanistan and sweeping it under the proverbial carpet but its not going to wash in Calais. They'd be basically acting as policemen, without the training.

Well, the obvious solution is for the UK to bother taking it's share of the refugee burden and helping the rest of the EU to do the same. But, hey, instead we can blame the refugees instead!

So we take 20,000 this year, what about next year? 40,000? And the year after, and the year after that? Where does it end? When the entire population of Africa has emptied?

 

[[TW]Fox]

Stop trading with France until they grow some hair on their chest.

Useless soundbite. How do you 'stop trading with France'?

We don't 'trade with France' as one unit. The Government can hardly suddenly pass a law making it illegal to buy French things.

This is just a classic example of the sort nonsense ramblings we are getting over subjects like this.

 

[Tefal]

Useless soundbite. How do you 'stop trading with France'?

We don't 'trade with France' as one unit. The Government can hardly suddenly pass a law making it illegal to buy French things.

This is just a classic example of the sort nonsense ramblings we are getting over subjects like this.

i think it was a classic example of a joke tbh