2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

Dis86 · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:25

Blackjack Davy said:
So we take 20,000 this year, what about next year? 40,000? And the year after, and the year after that? Where does it end? When the entire population of Africa has emptied?

I'd move to Africa. It's beautiful.

Vidar · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:25

[TW]Fox;28380294 said:
How DO you quickly and easily solve the problem?

You don't, you completely change foreign policy of not just the UK but the rest of the West and developed countries and work together as a true global community.

StriderX · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:37

[TW]Fox;28380309 said:
Useless soundbite. How do you 'stop trading with France'?

We don't 'trade with France' as one unit. The Government can hardly suddenly pass a law making it illegal to buy French things.

This is just a classic example of the sort nonsense ramblings we are getting over subjects like this.

Tefal · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:42

Vidar said:
You don't, you completely change foreign policy of not just the UK but the rest of the West and developed countries and work together as a true global community.

by entering a state of near total war for the next, what century being a conservative estimate, with the deaths of tens of thousands of our troops, millions of civilians, and the inevitable change in perspective from the people back home and the boots on the ground till your humanitarian invasion becomes an occupation and finally a vengeful extermination and withdrawal leaving everything worse than it began

Jono8 · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:42

Things are looking good for planet earth !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33720723

"Africa is expected to account for more than half of the world's population growth over the next 35 years."

"The reports says half of the world's population growth between 2015 and 2050 is expected to be concentrated in nine countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, Tanzania, the United States, Indonesia and Uganda.

The populations of 28 African countries are projected to more than double, and by 2100, 10 African countries are projected to have increased by at least a factor of five."

Tefal · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:43

Jono8 said:
Things are looking good for planet earth !

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-33720723

"Africa is expected to account for more than half of the world's population growth over the next 35 years."

"The reports says half of the world's population growth between 2015 and 2050 is expected to be concentrated in nine countries: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Ethiopia, Tanzania, the United States, Indonesia and Uganda.

The populations of 28 African countries are projected to more than double, and by 2100, 10 African countries are projected to have increased by at least a factor of five."

stop sending food...

Malevolence · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:46

Tefal said:
stop sending food...

And money.

Terminal_Boy · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:46

Tefal said:
stop sending food...

Time to release AIDS2.

Schlong&Stable · 30 Jul 2015 at 18:58

arknor said:
I'm pretty sure hitler stole most of the wealth and resources from neighbouring countries

Germanys turnaround had nothing to do with stealing wealth. Prior to WW2 the Nazis basically took charge of the economy and pushed it forward in way the free market could not.

This approach to economics is rarely good in the long run, but in short bursts a bit of command economy can be very useful.

Vidar · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:06

Tefal said:
by entering a state of near total war for the next, what century being a conservative estimate, with the deaths of tens of thousands of our troops, millions of civilians, and the inevitable change in perspective from the people back home and the boots on the ground till your humanitarian invasion becomes an occupation and finally a vengeful extermination and withdrawal leaving everything worse than it began

How can you miss such an obvious point and twist what is a good idea into something that is completely closed minded at best, some conflict would be inevitable I'm sure when removing corrupt dictators and dealing with the likes of IS but a state of near total war? Hardly! You wouldn't need boots on the ground for long periods if you trained and installed an effective police force capable of managing things themselves. It certainly wouldn't be easy but we don't live in a perfect world and would need to deal with the problems as they are now!

Terminal_Boy said:
Time to release AIDS2.

You disgust me!

scorza · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:12

Terminal_Boy said:
Time to release AIDS2.

General levels of hygiene in cities like Dhaka mean it won't be long before we see something that'll thin the numbers a bit.

This is why I thought the bad guys in Channel 4's excellent Utopia series were actually the good guys.

itchy · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:23

Vidar said:
How can you miss such an obvious point and twist what is a good idea into something that is completely closed minded at best, some conflict would be inevitable I'm sure when removing corrupt dictators and dealing with the likes of IS but a state of near total war? Hardly! You wouldn't need boots on the ground for long periods if you trained and installed an effective police force capable of managing things themselves. It certainly wouldn't be easy but we don't live in a perfect world and would need to deal with the problems as they are now!

You disgust me!

Your naivety is either youth or just a general ignorance of how the world works. :rolleyes:

They crawling out the wood work now. One was found under a horse box. :eek:

Yes I know daily fail but the pictures tell enough of the story for me. :mad:

For pics

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-Channel-days-migrants-storming-tunnel.html

For reading.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...62/Calais-illegal-immigrants-crisis-live.html

If that's not an invasion what is? :confused:

Feel sorry for all the lorry drivers, its just bloody wrong

Also how do we know these people are not criminals, could be murders and rapists fleeing the police force of there home country.

For all you bleeding hearts, I have a 8 year old daughter that I care about very much.
The last thing I want is her to end up in a getto called the UK, saying that its not far from it round my ways anyway.

arknor · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:23

Vidar said:
How can you miss such an obvious point and twist what is a good idea into something that is completely closed minded at best, some conflict would be inevitable I'm sure when removing corrupt dictators and dealing with the likes of IS but a state of near total war? Hardly! You wouldn't need boots on the ground for long periods if you trained and installed an effective police force capable of managing things themselves. It certainly wouldn't be easy but we don't live in a perfect world and would need to deal with the problems as they are now!

You disgust me!

why don#t you move to africa and help out?

ever seen machine gun preacher?

am Childers (Gerard Butler), a former biker, decides to go to East Africa to help repair homes destroyed by civil war. Transformed by the horrors he sees, Sam ignores the warnings of more experienced aide workers and breaks ground for an orphanage in the heart of territory controlled by a brutal renegade militia. But establishing a shelter is not enough; determined to save as many lives as possible, Sam leads armed missions into enemy territory to rescue kidnapped children.

Hotel Rwanda is a good watch too

Paul Rusesabagina (Don Cheadle), a Hutu, manages the Hôtel des Mille Collines and lives a happy life with his Tutsi wife (Sophie Okonedo) and their three children. But when Hutu military forces initiate a campaign of ethnic cleansing against the Tutsi minority, Paul is compelled to allow refugees to take shelter in his hotel. As the U.N. pulls out, Paul must struggle alone to protect the Tutsi refugees in the face of the escalating violence later known as the Rwandan genocide.

Maybe watch black hawk down after that

The film takes place in 1993 when the U.S. sent special forces into Somalia to destabilize the government and bring food and humanitarian aid to the starving population. Using Black Hawk helicopters to lower the soldiers onto the ground, an unexpected attack by Somalian forces brings two of the helicopters down immediately. From there, the U.S. soldiers must struggle to regain their balance while enduring heavy gunfire.

Get you in the mood to sell your possessions and go build a nice village for some locals just think how many lives you could improve

Blood diamond is worth a watch too

As civil war rages through 1990s Sierra Leone, two men, a white South African mercenary (Leonardo DiCaprio) and a black Mende fisherman (Djimon Hounsou), become joined in a common quest to recover a rare gem that has the power to transform their lives. With the help of an American journalist (Jennifer Connelly), the men embark on a hazardous trek through rebel territory to achieve their goal.

They should get you outraged and ready to go

V F · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:24

scorza said:
General levels of hygiene in cities like Dhaka mean it won't be long before we see something that'll thin the numbers a bit.

This is why I thought the bad guys in Channel 4's excellent Utopia series were actually the good guys.

We're quite a manky country ourselves.

Tefal · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:28

Vidar said:
How can you miss such an obvious point and twist what is a good idea into something that is completely closed minded at best, some conflict would be inevitable I'm sure when removing corrupt dictators and dealing with the likes of IS but a state of near total war? Hardly! You wouldn't need boots on the ground for long periods if you trained and installed an effective police force capable of managing things themselves. It certainly wouldn't be easy but we don't live in a perfect world and would need to deal with the problems as they are now!

yes absolutely you would.

there is 1 billion people in Africa, if just 1% decide to fight your decision to "police" them that's more than every member of the armed forces in the west combined. (heck if 7% disagree its about the population of the UK)

it would literally be a century long war that would make Vietnam look like a playground argument.

we were in Afghanistan for over a decade and literally nothing has changed.

even if everything went swimmingly it would take decades to train and equip a police force from scratch.

Vidar · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:32

I'm not ignorant of how the world works, how the world works is what causes problems like mass illegal immigration and am suggesting what I see as a constructive alternative which would in my opinion alleviate most of the problems over a long enough time scale.

What most of you fail to see is that by continuing only to look after our own self interests these problems are never going to go away!

Vidar · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:39

Tefal said:
yes absolutely you would.

there is 1 billion people in Africa, if just 1% decide to fight your decision to "police" them that's more than every member of the armed forces in the west combined. (heck if 7% disagree its about the population of the UK)

it would literally be a century long war that would make Vietnam look like a playground argument.

we were in Afghanistan for over a decade and literally nothing has changed.

even if everything went swimmingly it would take decades to train and equip a police force from scratch.

As stated mate, there is no quick fix. Decades yes but not necessarily a military presence. Changing how things work in the world and remedying these problems realistically could take at least a century if done in any truly meaningful way but you have to start somewhere.

Nothing has changed in Afghanistan because we weren't there to effect real change we where there to get our hands on oil in the guise of going after terrorism. Where were the fleets of construction companies and equipment going out with people there to train the locals how to use modern equipment and actually build anything? All I saw really was soldiers and okay they may have built a few schools but lets be honest a hell of a lot more is needed than that.

arknor · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:43

Vidar said:
I'm not ignorant of how the world works, how the world works is what causes problems like mass illegal immigration and am suggesting what I see as a constructive alternative which would in my opinion alleviate most of the problems over a long enough time scale.

What most of you fail to see is that by continuing only to look after our own self interests these problems are never going to go away!

are they savages incapable of ruling themselves ? must they submit to our will?

scorza · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:45

V F said:
We're quite a manky country ourselves.

Not even in the same league as Bangladesh (ugh!).

Tombstone · 30 Jul 2015 at 19:46

[TW]Fox;28380294 said:
Canada has illegal immigrants too. Less than we do but this is more due to the geographical isolation of Canada and it's location relative to the source of the immigrants more than any sort of super amazing way of handling the problem.

Oh yes, I understand that, almost everywhere has illegal immigrants. However, for one reason or another, the impact of the illegal immigrants in Canada (which according to figures number 1/6th of the amount in the UK) is greatly lessened.