In theory the first safe country rule applies, and the uk could remove asylum seekers to that country. But if that country would not admit them, what can you do?
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In theory the first safe country rule applies, and the uk could remove asylum seekers to that country. But if that country would not admit them, what can you do?
Change the tactic in the Mediterranean to transport back to Tripoli, job done, they no longer have money to pay smugglers.
I imagine its begun already, but using MI6 and Spec ops to take out smugglers is also probably a good idea.
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Also what everyone seems to forget is that you can't just deport someone who is stateless, which after ditching their passports these people become.
France, Italy etc will give them free passage because there isnt another cost effective option at dealing with asylum seekers, but once they're here its the end of the line so to speak, they cant be deported easily.
Not that any of that matters as the pubs will be shut soonish so this thread will be full of the send em back daily fail brigade.
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thats a short term solution and little more than a knee jerk. It won't make the problem go away just keeps it "over there". Out of sight and out of mind, though not as far the French are concerned.
They had a detention centre, Sangatte, and they closed it down. Too much hassle. Much easier to ignore the problem and hope it goes away.
That is quite literally the only thing that will motivate politicians as we have a political culture of "do what public opinion wants" which totally cripple our leaders into utter indecision as they don't want to do anything that might affect their opinion poll ratings, and nothing will happen until public opinion is motivated enough.
No it wont. The only thing that makes a politician to do something about it is when it happens on their doorstep. Downing Street.
Sangatte wasn't a detention centre - I think it was run by the Red Cross or someone like that. In any case it was basically to provide the migrants with better shelter and care than what they have at the moment. Agree that detaining all illegal immigrants and deporting them once their asylum claims have been rejected is the only way forward. The only thing to argue about is a) where? and b) who pays?
Skilled people with morals have no need to trespass, damage property, break in an enter and violate a countries borders.
If you skilled ...
1. You will have a passport or relevant document.
2. You have documents pertaining your relevant skills.
3. You would not camp in Calais.
4. You would not need to camp anywhere if you skilled and intelligent.
5. Need I go on.
Skills my ass, they are scroungers and I feel for the real refugees in crisis, because that's who they damaging with all this criminal activity.
I don't get why you are defending these people, yes I know and understand the is genuine people in crisis, but these toe rags are exploiting the situation and system.
If you cannot see that then I give up.
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Pubs kicked out early then.....
I'll entertain it anyway.
1. They are possibly refugees, they have no clothes or money, why would they have documents
2. They are possibly refugees, they have no clothes or money, why would they have documents
3. They are homeless, Britain is relatively successful on the world stage so thats why they want in
4. So are you saying that there are no British homeless skilled and intelligent people then?
5. Yes, please continue.
Please PROVE they are scroungers. I'm willing to admit that yes there will be a proportion that are, not like the daily mail portrays that they all are.
I'm not necessarily defending them, I'm just trying to get the point across that 'kill them all' as was previously posted isnt the correct way to deal with the problem or the right attitude to have.
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/10-myths-about-the-uks-migrant-crisis-debunked--bJiNkKwaml
I know its not the DM so won't 'sicken' you enough to be worthwhile but just have a read.
I'll entertain it anyway.
1. They are possibly refugees, they have no clothes or money, why would they have documents
2. They are possibly refugees, they have no clothes or money, why would they have documents
3. They are homeless, Britain is relatively successful on the world stage so thats why they want in
4. So are you saying that there are no British homeless skilled and intelligent people then?
5. Yes, please continue.
Please PROVE they are scroungers. I'm willing to admit that yes there will be a proportion that are, not like the daily mail portrays that they all are.
I'm not necessarily defending them, I'm just trying to get the point across that 'kill them all' as was previously posted isnt the correct way to deal with the problem or the right attitude to have.
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/10-myths-about-the-uks-migrant-crisis-debunked--bJiNkKwaml
I know its not the DM so won't 'sicken' you enough to be worthwhile but just have a read.
lets face it they are likely to be people with nothing to lose and nothing of value to offer.
or they would get a job in the first decent country rather than head for the one with a reputation for good benefits.
if they were skilled they wouldn't even need to leave their own country illegally
or they would get a job in the first decent country rather than head for the one with a reputation for good benefits.
if they were skilled they wouldn't even need to leave their own country illegally
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A naïve assumption. Some migrants are fleeing religious persecution with very real threats of death. You shouldn't generalise like that.
I see David camoron is managing this well, not! The government have fallen silent and they really should recall parliament to discuss this and bombing Syria without approval but no he's off on one of his three holidays soon, bet he doesn't take the tunnel
or they are homosexual and would be killed in their own country.
I wonder how many of those get a gf and eventually marry without being deported.
they are all trying to play the system.
don't even tell me these people fleeing religious persecution couldn't find a safe place on their own continent so must travel half way around the world in search of a tiny island.
The ones travelling across europe to the uk are taking the ****
I bet the french speaking africans don't even try to settle in france.
It's like the BNP chasing me out of newcastle because I'm a muslim and then I decide to travel across the globe to some tiny island in africa... it makes no sense
We are facing austerity cuts year on year, if we were booming and life was grand, houses and school shortages etc didn't exist then great take them all.
every migrant we take might as well be displacing a UK citizen with how it is now
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Nope with my family all day and went for a nice meal. I have been reading the thread but don't reply as I am either busy or with my family.
I will go on.
5. The is no way in this world you would dump your documents to make yourself incognito, if you had skills or where in real crisis.
6. They have better trainers than me, how is this possible after such a arduous journey!
7. They get free train fare through out the EU.
8. If I was in such a destitute situation from war and harassment, I would kiss the first counties ass I landed in knowing I was safe.
9. The is people born bred in the UK making a good profit from human trafficking from this situation, which P`s me off.
10. The EU know what is going on and is letting the situation escalate, funnel all migrants to UK borders if that's their destination.
Don't be so naïve, I know the are real people in crisis and they genuinely need help. But flash mobs at the tunnel are not doing anyone any favours period.
It's also a naive assumption to think that the migrants in question are fleeing religious persecution from their countries with very real threats of death and have somehow found themselves in a camp at the end of France with the UK as their only hope of safety.
They are there because they want to come to the UK.
Skilled people with morals have no need to trespass, damage property, break in an enter and violate a countries borders.
If you skilled ...
1. You will have a passport or relevant document.
2. You have documents pertaining your relevant skills.
3. You would not camp in Calais.
4. You would not need to camp anywhere if you skilled and intelligent.
5. Need I go on.
Skills my ass, they are scroungers and I feel for the real refugees in crisis, because that's who they damaging with all this criminal activity.
I don't get why you are defending these people, yes I know and understand the is genuine people in crisis, but these toe rags are exploiting the situation and system.
If you cannot see that then I give up.
This is what cheeses me off the most. Look what they leave behind before they move onto the next place. Every place looks like a dump. Like the life of tinkers.
God knows what the smell is like and the ground contamination.
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So you didn't bother reading then, brilliant.
5. I explained point number 5 futher up in the thread, but as with most facts I think you've done a pretty good job of ignoring them all.
6. Its charity clothing that most of them have been given
7. No, they get travel to the next country along as that country doesnt have to deal with them if they leave of their own free will.
8. What you want to get a job in greece? good luck with that, keep going.
9. Agreed
10. Agreed, again I've previously stated that and the reasoning behind it, which you ignored.
Naive? Get the facts and come back with a valid argument, your sensible points are outweighed by drivel unfortunately.
5. I explained point number 5 futher up in the thread, but as with most facts I think you've done a pretty good job of ignoring them all.
6. Its charity clothing that most of them have been given
7. No, they get travel to the next country along as that country doesnt have to deal with them if they leave of their own free will.
8. What you want to get a job in greece? good luck with that, keep going.
9. Agreed
10. Agreed, again I've previously stated that and the reasoning behind it, which you ignored.
Naive? Get the facts and come back with a valid argument, your sensible points are outweighed by drivel unfortunately.
That's not an assumption I made though is it. It's an assertion you have made after reading my post. A false assertion. Have some roll eyes.
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Don't worry though, The Daily Mail are doing their best to help with this current top story:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cooked-meals-35-cash-week-days-arrival.html
I particularly like the selection of the pretentious looking chips complete with mini-fryer style serving you get in 'posh' places just to rile people up even more.
'With freeview televisions' too, what a hotel!
I wonder what the actual truth is behind that story?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-cooked-meals-35-cash-week-days-arrival.html
I particularly like the selection of the pretentious looking chips complete with mini-fryer style serving you get in 'posh' places just to rile people up even more.
'With freeview televisions' too, what a hotel!
I wonder what the actual truth is behind that story?
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