2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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For a one off cost of 12p each, we could solve the problem permanently.

How exactly?

There won't ever be a permanent solution. Even resolving the current root of the issue - destroying the enemies that are currently forcing millions out of the country will only be temporary. Having a country with no leader or a weak government will just cause further issues.
 
This situation needs to be dealt with swiftly. I am disappointed that Cameron hasn't shown stronger leadership and dealt with the French accordingly

With a looming in out referendum this will be making more people consider voting to leave the EU.

Personally I think we need to stand strong and not let them in. If it was just the 5000 or whatever there is then it wouldn't really be an issue, however there are quite literally millions that would want to come. Our fellow European neighbours are behaving badly by giving them free passage to Calais. The French are beyond a disgrace and it is typical of them to behave the way they are. The French really do hate us. Unless we stay strong and stop them coming in we will probably be over run with a few decades. That camp and Calais is going to keep growing and we hold the cards against the french. I just hope we don't fall for the french bluff.
 
What do you propose is done?

And how would leaving the EU help here, other than removing us from any discussions about tackling the issues at an EU-wide level?
 
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No, I think enough other people need to like what they say as well in order to elect them as an MP. Sadly for Farage that wasn't the case at this years General Election.

Be realistic - Farage will never be Prime Minister so knows he will never need to stand behind any of his claims or suggestions. This makes them far easier to spew out to the media whenever needed.

Well yeah obviously. I think it's unlikely that Farage will ever be PM, but not impossible. People used to say the same thing about the LibDems and they ended up in government.

How exactly?

There won't ever be a permanent solution. Even resolving the current root of the issue - destroying the enemies that are currently forcing millions out of the country will only be temporary. Having a country with no leader or a weak government will just cause further issues.

I think he's winding up the bleeding hearts - 12p is the cost of a bullet or something.
 
A handful or so of these free loading illegals getting through a day is perhaps not such a bad thing when millions of Brits are waking up to the problem as a result.

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Well yeah obviously. I think it's unlikely that Farage will ever be PM, but not impossible. People used to say the same thing about the LibDems and they ended up in government.

And if he ever did you'd soon see some of his ideas falling by the wayside when the harsh reality of running a country slapped him in the face. It's a thoroughly thankless task and I bet it's nothing like as easy as we and the non-governmental MP's seem to think when we trot out 'simple' solutions to complex problems.
 
What do you propose is done?

And how would leaving the EU help here, other than removing us from any discussions about tackling the issues at an EU-wide level?

I don't want or think we should leave the EU. I am suggesting that what is going on in Calais is going to make more people want to leave. Unless this situation is dealt with then it will get worse and we could easily sleepwalk into leaving the EU.

My solution would be;

Specific military strikes against the smugglers and boats. This could be an sas/sbs role. I am not suggesting 'boots on the ground'.

Satellite surveillance from known hotspots where these boats leave from.

Boats that are detected to be met by royal navy with the migrants taken safely on board. Migrants to be returned to where they came from.

Once word gets about that the journey is pointless then there will be much lower demand to take the journey.

I would build temporary accommodation at the so called jungle or nearby. We the British would pay for this and man it with the army. We can then sort through those that are genuine refugees. Gather as much intel on those that we suspect of being isis.

Hopefully by this time the number of migrants taking the journey to Calais is reducing significantly due to the above actions.

Let in the migrants that are deemed to be refugees.

The key to this whole strategy would be the uk taking the lead and actually making it work. The italian's are happy to send them on their way to us.
 
We can't just deploy the British Army into Calais. This isn't a decision that we can solve alone, and I'm pretty sure the French would rather we did all the processing in the UK.

Cameron needs the rest of the EU members to be receptive to his proposals, I'm not convinced the past months of sabre rattling will have helped him here.
 
Why all the hate? We should be humbled our own country is the choice of the oppressed and threatened. We should count ourselves lucky and not judge those less fortunate to be born in dangerous places
 
We can't just deploy the British Army into Calais. This isn't a decision that we can solve alone, and I'm pretty sure the French would rather we did all the processing in the UK.

Cameron needs the rest of the EU members to be receptive to his proposals, I'm not convinced the past months of sabre rattling will have helped him here.

If the french want our help then they should take it. If they don't allow us to deploy the army then perhaps it could be controlled by nato personnel. It probably wouldn't need any more than a 1000 troops.

The EU strategy is wrong and is encouraging more migrants to come. Unless we lead the way then millions ultimately will make the journey.
 
How exactly?

There won't ever be a permanent solution. Even resolving the current root of the issue - destroying the enemies that are currently forcing millions out of the country will only be temporary. Having a country with no leader or a weak government will just cause further issues.

Let's put it this way, if you could get the illegals to line up, you might be able to reduce the cost per head to 6p or maybe even 4p if you pick out the thin ones.
 
Why all the hate? We should be humbled our own country is the choice of the oppressed and threatened. We should count ourselves lucky and not judge those less fortunate to be born in dangerous places

Well I am judging them, plenty of countries are dirt poor (like Mexico), but they don't perpetuate retarded tribal and religious wars that last for decades.

We should not be expected to be forever clearing up their stinking mess, they need to suck it up and sort out their culture. Not run away and spoil nice countries like Sweden (I'm not including the UK, we are a lost cause).

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I wonder why we are not more honest about the problem here, if there was a crowd of Filipinos or Mongolians or Bolivians or Icelanders at our borders, nobody would give a monkeys.
But faced with the alien cultures and retarded religions from Africa and the Middle East, and we are generally repulsed.

It would be more open to stop pretending that we are full or that they are taking our jobs, but just to say that simply being black or muslim creates a raft of social issues in the West which are not being honestly considered.

Whether it is fair to stereotype these groups is irrelevant, since every problem associated with them has been created entirely by their own hands.

The real problem are the liberals, champagne socialists and cultural Marxists who have consistently tied our hands with drippy and naive EU laws and far reaching human rights, and yet who fail to give a sod about the disastrous consequences of such laws when it comes to social cohesion in communities beyond Shoreditch and Islington.

They are far more of a threat to our society because they are cynically oblivious to any one else's right to an opinion, and the fact that constant breeding will insure that this not a one off issue, but a perpetual one that will affect generation after generation in the UK.
 
Well I am judging them, plenty of countries are dirt poor (like Mexico), but they don't perpetuate retarded tribal and religious wars that last for decades.

We should not be expected to be forever clearing up their stinking mess, they need to suck it up and sort out their culture. Not run away and spoil nice countries like Sweden (I'm not including the UK, we are a lost cause).

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I wonder why we are not more honest about the problem here, if there was a crowd of Filipinos or Mongolians or Bolivians or Icelanders at our borders, nobody would give a monkeys.
But faced with the alien cultures and retarded religions from Africa and the Middle East, and we are generally repulsed.

It would be more open to stop pretending that we are full or that they are taking our jobs, but just to say that simply being black or muslim creates a raft of social issues in the West which are not being honestly considered.

Whether it is fair to stereotype these groups is irrelevant, since every problem associated with them has been created entirely by their own hands.

The real problem are the liberals, champagne socialists and cultural Marxists who have consistently tied our hands with drippy and naive EU laws and far reaching human rights, and yet who fail to give a sod about the disastrous consequences of such laws when it comes to social cohesion in communities beyond Shoreditch and Islington.

They are far more of a threat to our society because they are cynically oblivious to any one else's right to an opinion, and the fact that constant breeding will insure that this not a one off issue, but a perpetual one that will affect generation after generation in the UK.

Excellent post, best on this thread yet.
 
Not really, it's bigoted tripe.

Pfft, you can't even claim to be right,
we were constantly lectured for years by your lot that multiculturalism was good for us, when clearly that was either stupid beyond belief or a lie.

Look at you now, not a single clue on how to solve this other than "let them all in \o/ ...herp derp"
 
Excellent post, best on this thread yet.

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Let's put it this way, if you could get the illegals to line up, you might be able to reduce the cost per head to 6p or maybe even 4p if you pick out the thin ones.

It would be far cheaper not saving those who have their boats sink on the way to Italy, not having them set foot on European soil would be the least costly option. ;)

Meanwhile, in Germany, this migrant camp has been there for one week, and look at it.. Completely traumatized and exhausted refugees, poor babies.


 
Pfft, you can't even claim to be right,
we were constantly lectured for years by your lot that multiculturalism was good for us, when clearly that was either stupid beyond belief or a lie.

Look at you now, not a single clue on how to solve this other than "let them all in \o/ ...herp derp"

Who's "my lot"?
Where have I said "let them all in"?

I might not have the answer to the "problem", but then, neither do you. All you seem to be doing is frothing at the mouth about your hatred for Africans.
 
Pfft, you can't even claim to be right,
we were constantly lectured for years by your lot that multiculturalism was good for us, when clearly that was either stupid beyond belief or a lie.

Look at you now, not a single clue on how to solve this other than "let them all in \o/ ...herp derp"

"I think blacks are inferior" isn't a way to solve the problem either though is it.
 
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