2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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Well Rob it's not hard to work out, well maybe it is for some but because I have my kids to think about and they need somewhere to stay when they're with me. See that's called common sense, something very much lacking in what you've said here.

Even if you didn't have your kids to think about, there is no way you would give up a cosy little flat and start kipping round all your mate's houses so that an immigrant family would have somewhere to live. Not a chance.
 
Yes. That was over a 1000 years ago.

Again rob with all due respect you've completely missed the point, it doesn't matter how many years ago it was this is a country entirely built upon the backs of immigrants. Yes the Romans may have invaded over a 1000 years ago and yes the vikings hundreds of years ago but ever since Europeans found a way across the now English Channel and North Sea etc people have been coming from all over and settling here.
 
1. At least link me to the bloody information you have in the first place!!

2. Theres no evidence to suggest it happening here YET and believe it or not migrants have been coming here for a while now, I'm not saying it won't be an issue.

3. At the same time you say that you quote vast minorities, proof please?

C'mon dude at least give me a chance! You cant demand evidence then back your own point up with nothing!

I would but lets be honest here, you'll find some way to turn it around anyway based on your posts on this subject already, there'd be no point for the effort on my behalf.

All I'm gonna say at this point is not long ago I was playing a HotS game with a Swedish friend who lives in a part of his town which has a lot of migrants, Somalians especially, and in the game we heard gunshots. He mentioned this isn't all that rare. In Sweden.

Not evidence per-se but christ it was bad.
 
Even if you didn't have your kids to think about, there is no way you would give up a cosy little flat and start kipping round all your mate's houses so that an immigrant family would have somewhere to live. Not a chance.

Trust me it's not that cosy and I wouldn't be skipping about, the thing is yes I actually would if I didn't have my kids and it was needed as I'd have somewhere else to live and well the thoughts of anyone living on the streets especially those with kids is too much for me to bare.
 
I would but lets be honest here, you'll find some way to turn it around anyway based on your posts on this subject already, there'd be no point for the effort on my behalf.

All I'm gonna say at this point is not long ago I was playing a HotS game with a Swedish friend who lives in a part of his town which has a lot of migrants, Somalians especially, and in the game we heard gunshots. He mentioned this isn't all that rare. In Sweden.

Not evidence per-se but christ it was bad.

Not gonna try and turn it around at all lol its just theres a complete lack of evidence which it has boiled down to 'my mate said' lol

So its not really that you don't want to put the effort in, its that its not there lol

e: should probably say that its a bit hypocritical going around declaring that I don't want to answer your posts because I've genuinely missed it and then refusing to answer someone


I only came into this thread to say that I disagreed with people declaring that we should kill thousands of people seeking refuge
 
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Don't feed the trolls, because that's what is happening! :mad:

Chill we don't need aggression and outbursts, we here for a formal discussion not a fight. ;)

We know two posters Vidar and Boycet0211 are flaming so lets keep it civilized please or just close the thread.
 
Not gonna try and turn it around at all lol its just theres a complete lack of evidence which it has boiled down to 'my mate said' lol

So its not really that you don't want to put the effort in, its that its not there lol


I only came into this thread to say that I disagreed with people declaring that we should kill thousands of people seeking refuge

Aye, I figured you'd declare the 'you can't be bothered to show the evidence thus I win' card, don't really care to be honest. If you care so much about this subject you're free to go self educate on the statistics rather than assume this country will be fine and will avoid the immigration problems of other countries.

Also, if you came into the thread to do that, you sure turned it into a discussion about how we should freely house the lot instead because we can't send them back - at least that's what I ended up gathering from you.
 
Don't feed the trolls, because that's what is happening! :mad:

Chill we don't need aggression and outbursts, we here for a formal discussion not a fight. ;)

We know two posters Vidar and Boycet0211 are flaming so lets keep it civilized please or just close the thread.

It is a discussion, I'm not trolling because I'm genuinely listening to everyones points and giving my own point of view.

You're the one thats created this thread specifically with the intent of getting people riled up, as you cant back up any of your points of view
 
Aye, I figured you'd declare the 'you can't be bothered to show the evidence thus I win' card, don't really care to be honest. If you care so much about this subject you're free to go self educate on the statistics rather than assume this country will be fine and will avoid the immigration problems of other countries.

Also, if you came into the thread to do that, you sure turned it into a discussion about how we should freely house the lot instead because we can't send them back - at least that's what I ended up gathering from you.

Well my mate said everything will be fine so its ok

Dont quote stats and evidence then refuse to even discuss it lol

At least I made the effort to read a bit about immigration policy and how the process works
 
Don't feed the trolls, because that's what is happening! :mad:

Chill we don't need aggression and outbursts, we here for a formal discussion not a fight. ;)

We know two posters Vidar and Boycet0211 are flaming so lets keep it civilized please or just close the thread.

So we're trolls because we happen to disagree with an opinion that I consider to be quite vile? And we're flaming because we're not going to back down and submit to said vile opinions?

That moral high ground you're now trying to take might not be as safe as you think....
 
So we're trolls because we happen to disagree with an opinion that I consider to be quite vile? And we're flaming because we're not going to back down and submit to said vile opinions?

That moral high ground you're now trying to take might not be as safe as you think....

Depends what you're considering vile - if you mean the shooting part, well, I don't think anyone was actually serious, this is still GD.

If you're saying the people saying we should throw the lot out are vile then... lol k.
 
It is a discussion, I'm not trolling because I'm genuinely listening to everyones points and giving my own point of view.

You're the one thats created this thread specifically with the intent of getting people riled up, as you cant back up any of your points of view

You have not answered my question ?

What do we do with these people? How do we integrate, educate, house and feed these people???:confused:

How??? What do you propose we do?
 
You have not answered my question ?

What do we do with these people? How do we integrate, educate, house and feed these people???:confused:

How??? What do you propose we do?


Actually I'll take a stab at this one too.... Well for a start we could stop the government from needlessly slashing the education and social housing budgets as part of their money saving austerity measures which have pushed the nation further into debt (hold on how does that work?) Oh wait that's right they want to give their big business chums a 2% corporation tax cut...

Well you see if education has more money again and we can provide free education to adults, teaching them English language skills, basic functional skills like maths etc well integrating wont be so hard. But hey you could actually encourage it instead of having the media scapegoat immigrants in a similar fashion as to what the Nazi's may have done with the jews.

Then hey if we don't slash the social housing fund, guess what we get more houses, yay! As for food when was the last time you went to Asda or Tesco and saw empty shelves? Well Guess what by increasing corporation tax by that same 2% enough revenue would be generated to fund pretty much everything you're complaining about even the welfare bill at no additional cost to you, heck maybe even reducing the tax and national insurance you pay out yourself, hey even the NHS would no longer be in trouble.
 
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You have not answered my question ?

What do we do with these people? How do we integrate, educate, house and feed these people???:confused:

How??? What do you propose we do?

But I've already told you!!!!!

We're already doing what we can as a country, there is a system already in place that works to assess people based on whether or not they need asylum or can be sent home, but it isnt big enough.

For it to be big enough to cope it needs more money, and good luck trying to get voters to spend extra taxes on it because I know exactly what the result will be if its mentioned!

The bit you are getting wound up over is the inbetween bit, the bit where they cant get a job because they arent residents, this also means they arent entitled to housing apart from this hotel thingy (which is only being done as everywhere else is full).

More taxes into it would mean hiring more assessors and weeding out those non-genuine claims quicker, getting the bad eggs home quicker which then frees up places in the purpose built accomodation, taking them out of hotels so the DM doesn't have a story anymore.

We already integrate and educate as best we can, we have free schooling and a free NHS.

If you had never worked a day in your life, and neither had any of your family for the last 500 years or whatever then you would still be entitled to those services, and benefits, and social housing.

So in short, the system needs more money, as does social housing, as does the NHS and as does the education system. If they even put taxes up for a service you use you'll moan about it so they cant win really can they?
 
But I've already told you!!!!!

We're already doing what we can as a country, there is a system already in place that works to assess people based on whether or not they need asylum or can be sent home, but it isnt big enough.

For it to be big enough to cope it needs more money, and good luck trying to get voters to spend extra taxes on it because I know exactly what the result will be if its mentioned!

The bit you are getting wound up over is the inbetween bit, the bit where they cant get a job because they arent residents, this also means they arent entitled to housing apart from this hotel thingy (which is only being done as everywhere else is full).

More taxes into it would mean hiring more assessors and weeding out those non-genuine claims quicker, getting the bad eggs home quicker which then frees up places in the purpose built accomodation, taking them out of hotels so the DM doesn't have a story anymore.

We already integrate and educate as best we can, we have free schooling and a free NHS.

If you had never worked a day in your life, and neither had any of your family for the last 500 years or whatever then you would still be entitled to those services, and benefits, and social housing.

So in short, the system needs more money, as does social housing, as does the NHS and as does the education system. If they even put taxes up for a service you use you'll moan about it so they cant win really can they?

Your ineptitude is beyond comprehension, just where does this money and manpower come from to deal with the situation. :confused:

Magic fairy dust, santa maybe . Every bloody thing you can think of cost money. No ifs or buts its all down to money. :rolleyes:
 
Your ineptitude is beyond comprehension, just where does this money and manpower come from to deal with the situation. :confused:

Magic fairy dust, santa maybe . Every bloody thing you can think of cost money. No ifs or buts its all down to money. :rolleyes:

So I give you an honest answer and you immediately call me inept? Thanks for that, now whos flaming.....

My point was it all costs money, so unless they put taxes up it wont happen

I'll say it again so you dont skim read past it as theres no point me spending 5 minutes typing for you to ignore it

IT NEEDS A TAX INCREASE WHICH NOBODY WILL AGREE WITH

Is that OK or you just want to start with the personal insults again????
 
So you think a tax increase on something that has sod all to do with me and you is right? :rolleyes:

I don't get what your saying??? :confused:

Nothing personal mate but you have a mad out look on life! ;)
 
So you think a tax increase on something that has sod all to do with me and you is right? :rolleyes:

I don't get what your saying??? :confused:

Nothing personal mate but you have a mad out look on life! ;)

Its not particularly mad, you just keep ignoring what I'm saying

Why does it have sod all to do with you? Because you keep saying it does, I honestly dont assume that your quality of life has suffered for one second because of an asylum seeker. I can't expect you to care about anyone elses life as you clearly don't.

I contibute to taxes, along with thousands of immigrants and while I dont want to give away all my cash to the NHS etc etc I don't want to watch innocent people get killed over a war they had no part in creating, or for being gay in a country thats not accepting of it.

Increasing spending on immigration facilities would without a doubt speed it up but as you say that money has to come from somewhere.

No its not right, but is watching thousands of people die right? Is watching gay fellas being thrown from a roof right because you just 'sent them back'? What if you needed help one day and someone refused because youre not the kind of people they like?
 
So you think a tax increase on something that has sod all to do with me and you is right? :rolleyes:

I don't get what your saying??? :confused:

Nothing personal mate but you have a mad out look on life! ;)

So you're saying a tax increase where you don't, somehow ultimately, benefit, is wrong?

I'm an immigrant. I've been paying tax for the last 4 years (10 times/3 times the fees for being an international student at uni for 3 years before that). I'm not entitled to any of these social benefits (apart from NHS) which the taxes pay for. There's also talk about immigrants having to pay for NHS/healthcare. I don't have a problem with that proposal on the face of it, but if you factor in that i'd have to continue paying NI, it then very much becomes that i'm spending a crap load of money in tax, which I don't get a benefit of.

So you think this is wrong then?

And to add (slightly) to Boycey's point re. this taking a lot of money and manpower - pretty much anything that needs to be done will cost money. Sure inefficiencies can be reduced, but ultimately, only way to cut spending significantly is to remove certain services/increase prices. But everytime something is attempted (e.g. tution fees), someone or the other is up in arms regarding it.

On the other hand, unemployment is also an issue (though admittedly not as much as in some other European countries). Wouldn't this proposal create more jobs, which by their nature, are more likely than not to go to citizens? I would've thought you'd be in favour of that.
 
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