2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

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Children are not racist and just get on with other children, cos they haven't learnt the xenophobic drivel spouted by their parents/media yet.
What about the political correctness they now get force fed in schools by a predominantly socialist teaching profession, is that OK or is that bad too?

We should be doing our bit to help those people from countries all over the world who face oppression, violence and poverty.
I call that foreign aid.

I call what you want as forced economic emigration, a dangerous practice that depletes a country of all its workforce, leaving the sick and needy to fend for themselves.

People need to stop this immigrant nonsense and just get on with life,
liberals need to stop shoving their fascist ideals down everyone's throats and allow the majority to preserve a way of life that suits them.

Don't forget, on this issue you are in the minority here.
Nobody wants any more alien cultures in their community.

I seriously doubt anyone in this thread has been negatively impacted by immigration.
I'm not negatively impacted by paedophiles, bears or wiggers, but it doesn't mean I want my country to be over run with them.

Our hatred of those different from ourselves is what is going to kill humanity in the end!
Why do you hate white people so much that you seek to annihilate all that our ancestors have created?
If these people were going to make a contribution then their own countries would all be shiny bastions of culture, not miserable violent toilets.

It is not even about education, just look at Detroit.
All the same opportunities, and yet a predictable outcome.

I meet lots of people settled in this country from other cultures and it us genuinely fascinating to be allowed into their lives and to understand their lived experience and how much it differs from my own.
I call that "Going on holiday"
Not living next door to a mosque and being called a dirty kafir.
 
No i could happily go through this whole thread and point out clear areas of racism. It may be not directed at a specific person, but there are racist slurs and ideolgies being used.

Well you can up and live anywhere you want? I am confused. Ive done it twice now. I knw others who do to? Maybe youve been stuck in the UK too long or holidaying in Spain with the rest of the country. There are lots of options out there. Maybe you dont know...

Germany you are from?
 
No i could happily go through this whole thread and point out clear areas of racism. It may be not directed at a specific person, but there are racist slurs and ideolgies being used.

Well you can up and live anywhere you want? I am confused. Ive done it twice now. I knw others who do to? Maybe youve been stuck in the UK too long or holidaying in Spain with the rest of the country. There are lots of options out there. Maybe you dont know...

Yes, within the EU.

How is that the entire world?
 
I dont live in the EU now. So your point?

Anyway the point is we can definitly go where we want as UK citizens, and there is nothing which makes us 'better' than the next person from a foreign country who wants to go where he wants. So freedom of travel, and living should be available to others.

Maybe you dont want to leave the UK, but I know lots of people who HAVE left the UK to start lives in other countries. So i see it as relative.
 
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the point being made is that these people who are genuinely in need and have been desperate enough to risk their lives to gain entry to the UK should be helped and not persecuted because they're desperate enough to break the law.

It's not up to us to help 'em though, it's up to Greece, Italy, France or whatever EU Country they arrive at first.
 
If it says Germany i must still be there...

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You are wrong. Even in America you can turn up with a normal tourist visa, obtain work (sponsor) within the country and apply internally for an extension. (Ok i just looked, you don't get an extension in the US, you have to re-apply. Guess you can go to Canada and do it though.) But in other countries this deffo works.

I guess the point we are missing a bit here is that these current people are coming in illegally, so then obtaining a real visa is hard. However if you approach visas legally and then want work and to live, it is extremely possible...
 
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If it says Germany i must still be there...

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You are wrong. Even in America you can turn up with a normal tourist visa, obtain work (sponsor) within the country and apply internally for an extension.

Pretty much the same for the rest of the world too. I guess the point we are missing a bit here is that these current people are coming in illegally, so then obtaining a real visa is hard. However if you approach visas legally and then want work and to live, it is extremely possible...

Awww, if not in Germany, change it!!! :D
 
What absolute pigswill I don't think anyone is actually saying we should let everyone in, the point being made is that these people who are genuinely in need and have been desperate enough to risk their lives to gain entry to the UK should be helped and not persecuted because they're desperate enough to break the law. We should help them in anyway we can and with a few tweaks to governmental policy and taxing companies who can afford it, slightly more well guess what it could all be paid for.

Why should they be helped by us though?

Why should government tax companies to pay for them?
 
Why the UK after they go through so many first world countries to get here? for the 50th time a question that will not be answered.

If they were so desperate then the first safe country they come across would be their new home

This question has been answered numerous times, most if not all of the other countries don't want them either so grant them free passage to Calais where the UK is essentially the end of the line. Not to mention even if these immigrants where able to settle in other European nations, I can't think of any other than the UK that would support them so fully, we're a victim of our own making in that sense.

Besides, lets say all of them crossing in boats stopped in say Spain as that was the first safe country..... the problem still exists, it hasn't gone away only changed location, this is a global problem that needs a global solution that is slow in coming. That doesn't mean however that we shouldn't be doing everything we can to help those who are genuinely in need. And I'm not just talking about immigrants but our own citizens also.


Anyone foolish enough to go to the wrong part of Africa or the Middle East will get a bullet for real, as opposed to some grumbling in the UK.

Well done for stating the painfully obvious but what's your point exactly, see all you've said there is that some places are so dangerous you're very likely to be killed... would you want to stay there if that's where you where born? No Didn't think so!

Nothing to do with Political will, it was the fact that our soldiers were pointlessly dying trying to stabilise their toilet country and the "grateful population" were throwing rocks at them and helping the Taliban.

Oh my good god, what do you think our liberation of their country was a result of if not political will to have at their oil reserves etc? I'm a huge supporter of our armed forces and understand they make the best of an incredibly messed up situation but of course the "grateful population" as you put it are taking up arms against them, in their eyes we we part of an occupation force there to steal from them, would you stand for that? I know I bloody wouldn't! The fact is our half baked attempts at stabilizing their country didn't have the backing or planning to succeed and so we ended up with a massive mess we've all but abandoned as long as we keep getting what we want.


They are muslim, democracy is counter to their religion, all authority comes from allah, not man. At least try and understand their retarded culture.
So religion and politics are completely dependent on one another, I don't see many bishops or Rabbi's etc in parliament do you? Okay so they have different religious beliefs and need a different system to us, doesn't mean just because it doesn't match what we have exactly doesn't mean it isn't a democratic society.



Loooool, given that their own people have been corrupt for hundreds of years, good luck with that. Every police force in these countries is corrupt, don't you read anything? We have enough problems with our own.

And our own people haven't been corrupt for hundreds of years? Did you not see the news covering parliamentary expenses? Or the police cover up of things like Hillsborough. When I say corruption free I assume you understand that I'm talking about a system similar to what we have here designed to detect and deter corruption within organizations like the police which is something we neglected to assist them with when we trained police to be militia fighters etc and not police.


Besides, we tried that with their army- they sat there fiddling petrol from the Americans, smoking weed and raping the local boys. Then ran away when ISIS turned up.

Been reading the daily fail again have we? Again if they had resources and education comparable to our own most of this wouldn't have happened. I won't comment on the child abuse because that has no baring on race or religion we have plenty of pedophiles of our own who are so called English Christians.

As for running away from IS, hmmmm an ill equipped, ill trained people whom are now unsupported by the West in any meaningful way running away from highly trained fanatical terrorists drugged up to the eye balls and willing to commit unspeakable acts of barbarism on anyone they cross paths with, running away from them? Shock horror I'd love to see how well you do standing up to them.



It is not a matter of embracing our culture IMO, it is the UK being lumbered with a retarded, misogynistic and medieval culture completely at odds with every other single Western culture.

See now you're wrong again, Extremism is completely at odd with every single western culture but that could be said about any group of religious extremists whether they be Muslim by creed or not. Most religions are at odds with western culture, just look at Buddhism but cause they don't have extremists that makes them okay right?

I think you will find they are all racist, which is why they have been fighting each others tribes since fire was invented.
Even Somalians in the UK hate other Somalians.

By it's very definition Somalians attacking other Somalians is not racism as they're the same race. And tribes fighting tribes isn't racist either, its tribal warfare so thanks for defeating your own point there.


It failed because nobody in the UK flipping asked for it in the first place!!! :mad:

People like you wanted to force it down everyone's throats in pursuit of some lame hipster ideal. Ignoring the fact that in every country, every single race deliberately segregates themselves. Except liberals thought they knew better and tried to force the issue by flooding every community with alien cultures.
Well you were wrong weren't you?


I speak to Indians every week, the problem isn't simply with different cultures, it is with the African and muslim cultures.


Are we supposed to take how your kids behave as some way to run the country? Like we could stop strikes if everyone got paid in ice cream?
FFS.


I actually can't be bothered to answer you anymore..... your completely moronic view point is horrifying and while I would genuinely try to see things from your point of view I'm afraid there isn't enough room up your rear end for both our heads.
 
This question has been answered numerous times, most if not all of the other countries don't want them either so grant them free passage to Calais where the UK is essentially the end of the line. Not to mention even if these immigrants where able to settle in other European nations, I can't think of any other than the UK that would support them so fully, we're a victim of our own making in that sense.

Besides, lets say all of them crossing in boats stopped in say Spain as that was the first safe country..... the problem still exists, it hasn't gone away only changed location, this is a global problem that needs a global solution that is slow in coming. That doesn't mean however that we shouldn't be doing everything we can to help those who are genuinely in need. And I'm not just talking about immigrants but our own citizens also.
Nothing stops them claiming asylum though...

Just a bunch of free loading scum bags who see the UK as a soft touch and people like you are soft enough to welcome them
 
It's not up to us to help 'em though, it's up to Greece, Italy, France or whatever EU Country they arrive at first.

Why should they be helped by us though?

Why should government tax companies to pay for them?


Look, simply put if everybody keeps passing the book where does it come to a stop guys?

The fact is as they say money makes the world go round, everything requires it in one way or another and without it there isn't anything to be done. But who should foot the bill? The poorest in society that is already criminalized or the huge corporations who taking a minor hit to their annual profits wouldn't effect them in any noticeable way?
 
How many shall we let in?.

3000? 30,000? 300,000? 3 million?.

Have you managed to find employment yet mate?

Apologies I missed your question the first time around, however I answered this yesterday.... we let in as many as we can afford to help however many that number actually is.

As for my employment or rather lack of, that has nothing to do with immigrants taking our jerbz and more to do with the fact I suffer with clinical depression.
 
What absolute pigswill I don't think anyone is actually saying we should let everyone in, the point being made is that these people who are genuinely in need and have been desperate enough to risk their lives to gain entry to the UK should be helped and not persecuted because they're desperate enough to break the law. We should help them in anyway we can and with a few tweaks to governmental policy and taxing companies who can afford it, slightly more well guess what it could all be paid for.

No, they are not genuinely in need or desperate, otherwise they wouldn't have crossed multiple safe countries to get here.
 
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