2,000 migrants tried to enter channel tunnel last night!

[Vidar]

The lack of common sense in this thread by so many is disconcerting, the only immigrants that go to the top of the list are the ones who deserve to be because they have more need of a property than someone who probably has other options. And the fact that many of you people think the likes of me and boycey and robocod are trolling or idiots just because we have a different opinion to yours is just ridiculous.

I'm stepping out of this thread now, not because through your lack of common sense, deliberate missing of points and generally not understanding human nature has forced me to concede any point but because this is fast becoming an exercise in futility similar to trying to teach goldfish the concept of walking.

 

[chief barker]

I'm not sure they get any new housing.
What seems to happen is that all the white people are now fleeing from the cities into new commuter villages built on greenbelt, while the muslims flood into the slum areas of cities and live 20 to a house.

This compounds the problems with housing stock as these homes are no longer cared for and the area crumbles. With no white people left the value of the housing plummets too, and the community starts to lose all its white amenities like cinemas, pubs and nightclubs.

Eroding our way of life via stealth.

 

[Boycey0211]

Go on bitslice I'll attemp to give you some answers and stay civil.

Afghanistan both succeeded and failed, it succeeded in removing the taliban from total control of the country and has removed some of their ability to use the country as a training camp, it failed in removing them completely and the democracy given obviously isnt our version of it, but they have elections and parties and so on.

There wasnt any oil, we didnt go for that.

You cant turn around and say that there are no democratic islamic countries, at least be willing to accept that its different from our of course, but so is russia, and probably about 100 other countries

Other cultures can work perfectly together, I've been there seen it and done it and no I didnt get shot, but I'll concede that there are bad places yes

I think that blanket sweeping statements about every country that identifies with islam is extremely wide of the mark, just as it would be if I assumed that in the little bit of cornwall where you lived has no issues with multiculturalism whatsoever and the vitriolic anti-immigrant posts have no real basis.

Btw, not a liberal either

 

[Caged]

I'm not sure they get any new housing.
What seems to happen is that all the white people are now fleeing from the cities into new commuter villages built on greenbelt, while the muslims flood into the slum areas of cities and live 20 to a house.

This compounds the problems with housing stock as these homes are no longer cared for and the area crumbles. With no white people left the value of the housing plummets too, and the community starts to lose all its white amenities like cinemas, pubs and nightclubs.

It is inevitable really, as soon as multiculturalism is forced upon a community, all the white people self segregate and move out. Clearly something about the countryside offends muslims because they stay clear.


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Can you honestly not read your own posts back and see why people might think you are a little bit racist? White folk vs. muslims who are so backwards they have no issues living in a slum. It might win you a few loyal fans in the echo chamber that is OcUK but there's a bigger world out there, and thankfully you're at odds with it.

 

[arknor]

common sense?

we have no room at the inn, let's welcome them anyway.....

 

[chief barker]

The lack of common sense in this thread by so many is disconcerting, the only immigrants that go to the top of the list are the ones who deserve to be because they have more need of a property than someone who probably has other options. And the fact that many of you people think the likes of me and boycey and robocod are trolling or idiots just because we have a different opinion to yours is just ridiculous.

I'm stepping out of this thread now, not because through your lack of common sense, deliberate missing of points and generally not understanding human nature has forced me to concede any point but because this is fast becoming an exercise in futility similar to trying to teach goldfish the concept of walking.

Ok bye.

 

[Danthus]

The lack of common sense in this thread by so many is disconcerting, the only immigrants that go to the top of the list are the ones who deserve to be because they have more need of a property than someone who probably has other options. And the fact that many of you people think the likes of me and boycey and robocod are trolling or idiots just because we have a different opinion to yours is just ridiculous.

I'm stepping out of this thread now, not because through your lack of common sense, deliberate missing of points and generally not understanding human nature has forced me to concede any point but because this is fast becoming an exercise in futility similar to trying to teach goldfish the concept of walking.

Why does an immigrant deserve to go to the top of the list?

 

[Boycey0211]

common sense?

we have no room at the inn, let's welcome them anyway.....

You have contributed nothing to this thread other than provoke other people.

I cannot wait for the day you have something constructive or useful to input.

 

[chief barker]

You have contributed nothing to this thread other than provoke other people.

I cannot wait for the day you have something constructive or useful to input.

So there's room at the inn?

 

[Boycey0211]

Given that so many countries can offer a safe haven before they ever get near the UK there really shouldn't be any needing to come here.

I understand where you're coming from, but to use your point literally we would just have greece as one giant refugee camp. No I cant give you a more solid answer

Why does an immigrant deserve to go to the top of the list?

Again, I don't know the ins and outs of what qualifies someone for social housing. I assume its done on a points based system the same way it is for UK residents?

 

[arknor]

boycee is clearly one of them, makes sense with norfolk location

Posting from an iphone no doubt

 

[Danthus]

Again, I don't know the ins and outs of what qualifies someone for social housing. I assume its done on a points based system the same way it is for UK residents?

Yet you are advocating giving them preferential treatment.

imagine how someone who has been on the waiting list for years would feel if a migrant decided to up sticks, move to the UK and get straight to the top of the housing list.

You need to be clear about asylum seeks and economic migrants.

The real problem is the later, deciding which is which.

 

[arknor]

uk people can't even get their spouses over here unless they are earning enough to support that person right? 21k+ or whatever it was

 

[cainer]

 

[bitslice]

Afghanistan both succeeded and failed, it succeeded in removing the taliban from total control of the country and has removed some of their ability to use the country as a training camp, it failed in removing them completely and the democracy given obviously isnt our version of it, but they have elections and parties and so on.

Yep, I was quite amazed at how much the Army managed to achieve with less resources than the Americans.
I'm just not willing to involve ourselves any further until the Americans give us 100,000 Terminator robots to use instead.

Could you imagine us going back and ISIS started burning British captured troops in cages, Cameron would be lynched.

You cant turn around and say that there are no democratic islamic countries, at least be willing to accept that its different from our of course, but so is russia, and probably about 100 other countries
Other cultures can work perfectly together, I've been there seen it and done it and no I didnt get shot, but I'll concede that there are bad places

Yep, not all of them suck, but I still see islam as holding back the progress of mankind and a massive drain on resources.

I think that blanket sweeping statements about every country that identifies with islam is extremely wide of the mark

Islam in it's own country is manageable, islam in a western country clearly isn't and all of Europe has experienced this. I don't like having a fifth column on my doorstep and I don't see that massively increasing the size of such a group is sensible at all.

White folk vs. muslims who are so backwards they have no issues living in a slum.

I'm just reporting what I see, which is that nobody in this area mixes with them. The Poles however are all over the place and have a few shops too, no problem there.

 

[Boycey0211]

boycee is clearly one of them, makes sense with norfolk location

Posting from an iphone no doubt

What the hell are you on about? 'One of them' I'm from shropshire living in norfolk, whatever the hell thats got to do with anything? Whats 'one of them'?

And as for the iphone comment I have no idea what that even refers to????

Yet you are advocating giving them preferential treatment.

imagine how someone who has been on the waiting list for years would feel if a migrant decided to up sticks, move to the UK and get straight to the top of the housing list.

You need to be clear about asylum seeks and economic migrants.

The real problem is the later, deciding which is which.

I'm not advocating preferential treatment at all, I'd say whatever treatment they get should be the same as a UK resident of the same requirement, no preference.

Then you've also got to ask why someone is waiting years to get on the housing list, but we need to look at our own problems then.

 

[[TW]Fox]

uk people can't even get their spouses over here unless they are earning enough to support that person right? 21k+ or whatever it was

They can if the spouse lives under harsh enough circumstances that a case for asylum would be accepted.

But then of course thats the only circumstances by which these people can legally remain here so what is your point?

Most of these people are not 'let in' - they are here ILLEGALLY.

I doubt many can be bothered to read it, but this is an interesting read and will prove quite educational:

http://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/briefings/migration-uk-asylum

Of particular note is the 75% reduction in assylum applications when comparing 2002 and 2013. The facts also show us that the majority of asylum applications are rejected. Just 34% of applications resulted in permission to remain in the UK in 2012. Those who fake their way in and pretend to be in danger when in reality they just want to join the gravy train are, the figures show, usually spotted and removed.

So much for an open door.

 

[antijoke]

What the hell are you on about? 'One of them' I'm from shropshire living in norfolk, whatever the hell thats got to do with anything? Whats 'one of them'?

And as for the iphone comment I have no idea what that even refers to????



I'm not advocating preferential treatment at all, I'd say whatever treatment they get should be the same as a UK resident of the same requirement, no preference.

Then you've also got to ask why someone is waiting years to get on the housing list, but we need to look at our own problems then.

Why do they deserve the same treatment as UK citizens? Why is this just seemingly a UK problem? Why aren't we saying to these people if you're coming into the EU you're going to this country and you'll be going through an education system to be of some value to that country.

 

[Caged]

It becomes a UK problem when they get into the UK.

I think dealing with it at an EU level is sensible, but then you'd just get the predictable responses asking why we should take any at all, at which point it's only a matter of time before "OUTRAGE AS UNELECTED BUREAUCRATS IN BRUSSELS SEND RAPISTS TO ENGLAND!", Farage stumbles out of a pub to say "open door immigration", and then any chance of productive discussion goes out the window.

 

[Boycey0211]

Why do they deserve the same treatment as UK citizens? Why is this just seemingly a UK problem? Why aren't we saying to these people if you're coming into the EU you're going to this country and you'll be going through an education system to be of some value to that country.

As above I agree that it should be dealt with at an EU level, but that won't happen as the EU is broken and any suggestion of that happening would just get veto'd by every other member.

Why do they deserve the same treatment? Well could be for any number of reasons, I would rate a family being threatened with death higher than a kid who just wants to move out of the parental home for example, its not just a UK issue but obviously thats the way the press is spinning it, we only see one side of the argument