2005 Petronas Malaysian Grand Prix

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What is Jim smoking when talking about the best race and the new rules have improved racing? Seemed like only a handful of on-track overtaking and the rest in the pits, boring if you ask me.

The result, however, is a good one :)
 
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All the following results ate subject to confirmation by the FIA.

Race Results.
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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			56	Winner		1	10 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			56	+24.3 secs	2	8 
3	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		56	+32.1 secs	10	6 
4	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	56	+41.6 secs	11	5 
5	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			56	+51.8 secs	5	4 
6	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		56	+72.5 secs	8	3 
7	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			56	+79.9 secs	13	2 
8	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		56	+80.8 secs	7	1 
9	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	56	+81.5 secs	6	 
10	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		55	+1 Lap		14	 
11	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		54	+2 Lap		17	 
12	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		53	+3 Lap		18	 
13	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	52	+4 Lap		20	 
Ret	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			49	+7 Lap		12	 
Ret	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			36	Accident	3	 
Ret	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		36	Accident	4	 
Ret	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		26	Spin		16	 
Ret	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		2	Engine		9	 
Ret	4	Anthony Davidson	BAR-Honda		2	Engine		15	 
Ret	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	2	Spin		19

Fastest Laps.

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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed	Laptime[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			24	14:43:06	222.807	1:25.683 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			55	15:28:42	222.001	1:25.994 
3	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			54	15:27:21	221.386	1:26.233 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	55	15:29:22	221.329	1:26.255 
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		55	15:29:50	221.316	1:26.260 
6	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			38	15:04:15	221.314	1:26.261 
7	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	41	15:08:11	220.976	1:26.393 
8	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		37	15:02:17	220.720	1:26.493 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			56	15:31:39	220.611	1:26.536 
10	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		39	15:05:33	220.379	1:26.627 
11	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		40	15:06:40	220.219	1:26.690 
12	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		38	15:04:07	219.803	1:26.854 
13	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		55	15:29:46	219.704	1:26.893 
14	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			56	15:31:11	219.142	1:27.116 
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		54	15:28:57	217.571	1:27.745 
16	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		36	15:01:41	217.244	1:27.877 
17	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		36	15:02:13	217.014	1:27.970 
18	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		16	14:31:49	214.505	1:28.999 
19	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	22	14:42:43	205.604	1:32.852 
20	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	11	14:24:56	204.960	1:33.144

Pit Stops

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[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time	Total time[/b]
1	20	Patrick Friesacher 	Minardi-Cosworth	15	14:31:15	24.700	24.700 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			18	14:33:58	22.279	22.279 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		18	14:34:05	24.102	24.102 
1	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		18	14:34:49	23.528	23.528 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			19	14:35:57	21.802	21.802 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		19	14:36:18	26.634	26.634 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		20	14:36:56	23.535	23.535 
1	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		20	14:37:04	22.961	22.961 
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		20	14:37:31	23.219	23.219 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		21	14:38:22	22.696	22.696 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		21	14:38:55	22.884	22.884 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			21	14:39:22	23.684	45.486 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		22	14:40:25	21.839	21.839 
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			23	14:41:09	21.566	21.566 
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	23	14:41:28	23.120	23.120 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			25	14:44:22	21.252	21.252 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			25	14:44:30	21.921	21.921 
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:44:56	19.951	19.951 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			26	14:46:25	20.825	20.825 
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		27	14:47:56	25.924	25.924 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			36	15:01:11	22.190	44.469 
2	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	34	15:01:36	27.694	52.394 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		36	15:02:54	26.593	50.121 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		39	15:05:11	23.361	46.896 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	39	15:05:39	22.684	42.635 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		39	15:06:05	23.348	45.187 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		39	15:06:46	22.987	49.621 
2	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		40	15:06:58	23.150	46.111 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		40	15:07:00	23.660	47.762 
2	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		40	15:07:35	24.279	47.498 
3	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			40	15:07:46	20.103	1:05.589 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		41	15:09:01	24.357	47.241 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			42	15:09:18	19.546	41.112 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		42	15:09:35	20.679	43.375 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	42	15:09:42	20.803	43.923 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			42	15:10:03	19.803	40.628 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			43	15:11:01	19.885	41.137 
2	5	Fernando Alonso	Renault				45	15:14:00	18.751	40.672
 
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Good stats there Flibster.

That race was a complete disappointment. Virtually no action. I thought the incident with Webber and Fisichella was Fisi's fault. He lost control of his car, he was given enough space (He had the racing line and then some) yet still hit Webber. Gutted for him. Montoya was nowhere the entire race and Kimi had his race trashed by bad luck. Williams looking promising tho and I'm glad Heidfeld got a drive in a top car, he's deserved it for years and deserved the podium.

Honda really need to get their act sorted out and I am absolutely gutted for Anthony Davidson. Really gutted. He had his first drive in F1, a chance to show what he can do, and his engine gives out, very early to boot. Big shame. :(

Lets hope all this 'action' ITV are talking about materialises in Bahrain, failing that we need a rules change.......again. :rolleyes:
 

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At least next weekend a lot of drivers should have new engines :D. They really have ruined what was left of F1. The tyre rules dont work as yet and refueling stops are just making it worse. Hate to think what its going to be like at the real "procession" circuits.

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Those tyres are totally bald. Thus - Illegal - according to the clarification that Ferrari got after they complained about the michelin tyres. :D

Not really illegal ;). There was clarification sought, a few years back by the bridgestone runners, when Michelin tyres were turning into slicks (when we still had the three sets for a race). However it was never challenged at an actual race meeting, Ferrari always threatened to do it but didnt. So until someone actually complains then they are legal.

Doesnt matter anyways now as when these tyres go slick the cars go slower (rubbers just gone completely unlike the super soft).
 
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First up I gotta pay tribute to Flibster - great job!

Max Mosley needs to waken up and smell the coffee! They should rewind to the glory days -

  • No fuel stops - was always another element - fuel conservation, remember those races when people rolled over the finish line with empty tanks.
  • Pit-Stops for tyres - i fear we are gonna see a lot of what happended to Kimi this year (i know it was a puncture, but I'm sure it wasnt helped by the new regs).
  • Qualifying as before - 1 hour, 12 runs. They pad so much of the qualifying out with rubbish now, what difference does it make to viewer if no-one goes on the circuit at start of hour, unless you make it mandatory that each driver must do a time in the first 10 mins of the hour.

Thats a few of my thoughts. I am a big Ferrari fan and I wish some people - ITV are you listening - would realise that just because they are not out front doesnt a good race make!

That said it was good to see Alonzo winning. He will win the Championship at some point.

I just hope that Imola is a good race, I'll be there!
 
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What is Jim smoking when talking about the best race and the new rules have improved racing? Seemed like only a handful of on-track overtaking and the rest in the pits, boring if you ask me.

Jim is just stupid.... and your 'casual' F1 viewer (i.e. uninformed) who doesn't care about racing (unlike most of the people who have commented on this forum).
All he cares about is that 'nasty German' doesn't win.

After all the sucess he's had, who care's if Schumi doesn't win this year (and I can't see it happening now)............ as long as the damn racing is happening somewhere else on the track.
And having just read this forum, it sounds like it's not. Can be I be bothered to stay up and watch the race on TV tonight (damn Japanese TV is now showing race re-runs again at night, despite the fact they could have easily showed it, as KL is one hour behind Tokyo!!!!).



Anyway, kudos to most of you chaps on this forum. I know for the majority of you (except Goreblast it seems) Ferrari isn't your fav team, but you could see past gloating about them doing ****, and were objective about the bleeding mess F1 is in at the moment.
 
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My excuse is that I started being a Ferrari fan back when they had Berger and Alesi driving for them. I have been to Maranello, the Ferrari museum, the Fiorano test track and Mugello (watched Luca Badoer testing). The sad thing to most other people, is I have an Astra and a Corsa both with Ferrari badges on the back!!!

I also was a big fan of Eddie Irvine - live round the corner from Conlig! and he took on all comers. Pretty much I am a fan of them all, except McLaren and DC (prob with DC is that because Brundle is part of his management team he can do no wrong in ITVs eyes). Also I do think the standard of the new guys ais very poor when it coms to traffic. There has been a steady decline in recent years in how well they move over and the blue flags are applied.

Aryton was my first love, and still remember that day well; shall be going to his memorial at Imola this April.
 
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goreblast said:
First up I gotta pay tribute to Flibster - great job!

Max Mosley needs to waken up and smell the coffee! They should rewind to the glory days -

  • No fuel stops - was always another element - fuel conservation, remember those races when people rolled over the finish line with empty tanks.
  • Pit-Stops for tyres - i fear we are gonna see a lot of what happended to Kimi this year (i know it was a puncture, but I'm sure it wasnt helped by the new regs).
  • Qualifying as before - 1 hour, 12 runs. They pad so much of the qualifying out with rubbish now, what difference does it make to viewer if no-one goes on the circuit at start of hour, unless you make it mandatory that each driver must do a time in the first 10 mins of the hour.

Thats a few of my thoughts. I am a big Ferrari fan and I wish some people - ITV are you listening - would realise that just because they are not out front doesnt a good race make!

That said it was good to see Alonzo winning. He will win the Championship at some point.

I just hope that Imola is a good race, I'll be there!

Qualifying was always the much better in the old format, 1 hour, 12 laps. Basically 3 runs of 2 flying laps or 4 runs of 1. You couldn't predict it as easy and you could have 2-3 pole changes in the last couple of mins. It was fantastic stuff.

I don't mind having pit stops for tyres and fuel but I think having two tyre manufacturers is damaging the sport. Imagine you design an absolutely fantastic car and use tyre manufacturer A. Your main rivals with inferior cars use B. If your tyres are better you romp everything, if they're worse your car becomes average, despite all the work. Bridgestone last year made Ferrari look better than they were and gave them an advantage over their rivals.

  • 1 Tyre manufacturer
  • No penalty for changing engine but no Qualifying spec engine
  • Pit stops for fuel and tyres
  • More mechanical grip
  • Less Aero grip
  • Place a more strict limit on driver aids

That is pretty much what I would like to see. I still think F1 should be the pinnacle of motorsport, and crippling the engines, and other aspects of the car we are starting to lose that.
 

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goreblast said:
Pretty much I am a fan of them all, except McLaren and DC (prob with DC is that because Brundle is part of his management team he can do no wrong in ITVs eyes).

Its one of things that annoy me about Brundle, he is far from impartial ;).
 
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For anyone that missed it - the Replay *that is actually 10 mins longer than the live show :rolleyes* is now coming on ITV.

There was 1 real exciting piece of that race - and that was the Heidfeld/Webber/R.Schumacher 3 way. All credit to them for not taking each other off *although Ralf got close. ;)*

Personally we should dump refueling - it makes the pit stops too long and thus more strategic. It should be just sprint in - change wheels in 4.5 seconds - sprint out. Less time in the pit means more overtaking eeds to be done on the track - and none of the guessing how much fuel everyone has - they've all got roughly the same.

I would love to see a change fo the design rules to:
1 Engine
4 wheels
No moving aerodynamic components
No driver aids and reduced electronics - physical link between gearbox and gearlever, throttle and throttle peddle etc....I liked the idea of standard ECU's - prevents hiding code that once executed deleted itself..*yes..that was done..*

Here's a box 1m tall by 2m wise by 4m long.
It must fit in this box..
Go and play!

Get some innovation back into the sport.

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mmm a better race than australia but not by much!

honda's reliability is awful and feel for button and davidson! hopefully they will get that sorted and button's apparent pace can be shown.

red bull another impressive race from them! consistent laps all the way through the race and pulled off another two point scoring positions.

ferrari - absolutely dire two races in a row, no pace from them at all ms lucky to score any points at all, as much as i hate ferrari i would like to see some competition! hopefully their new car will catch up with everyone and produce some actual racing.

Williams-BMW very impressive race they didnt appear to have that much in the
qualifying but their race pace was amazing shame about the webber/fisi incident, webber looked to have the podium in his bag.

Mclaren - Montoya has had two average drives showing no apparent pace but has come 4th twice somehow, hopefully he will get his ass in gear and get some race pace. kimi another unfortunate incident for him ruins his race he was looking good for a podium until that puncture, hopefully nothing will happen next race and he can be fighting for a top position.

Renault - Alonso had a faultless race, consistently fast laps drove his socks off congratulations to him. Fisichella had a bit of a disappointing race nowhere nr alonso's pace and then cocked it up with webber, shame as he was looking good for 4th.

Overall an ok race better than aus but nothing special, i was loving the 4 wheel drifts into the last corner! hopefully bahrain will be a lot more interesting!
 
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Arc said:
Its one of things that annoy me about Brundle, he is far from impartial ;).

I'd have Brundle as a commentator over james allen any day though.




That sports sounds dangerous Flib, unlimited engines and no driver aids, could be interesting though.

Personally (regarding regs) I'm not sure whether I'd prefer to see cars that are more like 60's ones (with regard to aero and driver aids) or a car where every part was filled with technology, ie active suspension, flexi wings etc - stuff that could really push the innovation on the cars. I guess the first rules would see the best drivers win and second would show whos best at making cars/richest.
 
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This sport no longer favours innovation, which is a shame. You build a car that's similar in design to everyone else or you pay! (williams hammerhead 2004)
I can't believe Honda, they were both new engines for this race aswell and they blow up in 2 laps? At the same time? Hmm... They need to pull the finger out and build something that can last a race distance!

Can't wait for Minardi to get their new car out, Imola I think... Their current one is just so slow it brings a tear to my eye.

Bridgestone and Ferrari, now paying the price for alienating everyone else and pretty much forcing teams to switch to michelin. Hardly any tyre testing, well, that's what you get.
Mind you Ferrari are the only ones who are still pretty much testing every other day so they'll work something out, sigh...
 
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goreblast said:
Anyone else looking forward to A1 Grand Prix when it gets started? Quite a good wee promotional DVD with F1 Racing an issue ago.
I got that DVD in my copy, don't really know what to make of it? I doubt it will it be televised in the UK. I'm not really a fan of the whole 'nation vs nation' idea. I can't see it ever becoming popular like F1 is. I mean no one watching F3000 or F3 do they?
 
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