2005 San Marino Grand Prix

Caerdydd · 24 Apr 2005 at 14:55

The decision to go to an ad break with 4 laps left and 0.4 seconds between the leaders with 2 back markers coming up is UNFORGIVEABLE

Flibster · 24 Apr 2005 at 14:59

Now off out to get some food in the flat - will put my comments after that.

And if anyone's interested...

http://www.itv-f1.com/ContactUs.aspx - the contact us section of the ITV-F1 web site..bitch like hell at them...

Type_R · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:00

Finally Ferrari are back to challenging....I think the race pace today has shown that we are back in business.

Congrats go mainly to Bridgestone I think. Awesome drive by MS and Alonso. Cant wait for Spain when the Renaults finally get the kicking they are waiting for.

Coco · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:19

Arr bless the Ferrari fans! Finally something for you to smile about this year!

Another win for Alonso, cracking stuff, he's built himself a fantastic lead & as long as reliability is on his side, the title is his

That Ferrari :eek:

Christ it looks bloody quick in clean air. If Schui & Barri can line up on the first few rows after qualifying there gonna fly.

After the hardwork from BAR not only did Button & Sato finally finish a race, but they've collected some decent points! Horraa!

Great to see Kimi/Macca on pole & with Montoya returning this could get interesting for them.

Oh and a final mention for Villeneuve from Mr Sauber himself "Go on then Son, I'll let you carry on playing racing cars in Spain".

Coco · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:24

Caerdydd said:
The decision to go to an ad break with 4 laps left and 0.4 seconds between the leaders with 2 back markers coming up is UNFORGIVEABLE

Your not kidding, while SDK is quite right, when you add all the above together it really should have been a no-brainer.
Oh well, it happened, they were kind enough to show what we missed & there's still the replay tonight. At least the halifakka advert wasn't on in that break!

fRostiE · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:35

missed the race... went for a drive down to stafford... i've only seen 1 of this season so far

James_N · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:44

fRostiE said:
missed the race... went for a drive down to stafford... i've only seen 1 of this season so far

bet that was exciting for ya

lol

shows how much i know though, didnt even know it was on, ive totally lost interest in F1 now.

Vertigo · 24 Apr 2005 at 15:52

That F2005 is frightening! If they can get the reliability back it's going to be an awesome season watching Michael chasing Alonso.

Superb race, one of the best I've seen in a long time.

Emlyn_Dewar · 24 Apr 2005 at 16:36

I am very worried, look at the fastest lap times from today and the F2005 crushes everything, it's not even a small margin, a huge distance!
Alonso was running much lower revs on an old clapped out engine...

(First engine to win 2 grand prix) And Kimi's failure was unacceptable, they better get that fixed!

Anyway, I just hope Ferrari go easy on the testing and we don't go back to 2004 style dominance!

Sent 2 complaints about advert, one via the website and the other to [email protected], give it a whirl!

Massa was damn racey today, shame DC was hovering around trying to ruin his day! Good bit of action during an uneventful phase though, cheers Massa!

I might go and have a lie down with a hot drink... My heart is still a bit dodgy after that classic chasedown finish, and my throat is hoarse after shouting at the tv during the ad break!

Stormrider · 24 Apr 2005 at 16:37

Vertigo1 said:
That F2005 is frightening! If they can get the reliability back it's going to be an awesome season watching Michael chasing Alonso.

Superb race, one of the best I've seen in a long time.

Very true about the F2005 - 2s a lap quicker than Button and Alonso is scary. After a bit of thought it did cross my mind how limited Alonso and Button were with their engines being on the second race.
Barcelona should be interesting to see how new engines fair against Ferarri on its second race distance.

Scarfacé · 24 Apr 2005 at 16:47

Button wasn't on his second engine I don't think.

Great end to the race though. Shame about Kimi's bad luck, again.

Vertigo · 24 Apr 2005 at 17:05

Yeah Button failed to finish the first three races so has yet to race with an "old" engine.

Emlyn_Dewar · 24 Apr 2005 at 17:20

He was the second fastest guy on the track, shame he couldn't push for better than 3rd!

Arc · 24 Apr 2005 at 17:21

F2005 is damn scary, its a quick car and in the hands of Schuey today was simply amazing. Just wonder what would have happened if he had of qualified better. The tyres on the Renault didnt look particularly great towards the end of the race. The outer groove had virtually dissappeared on the rears and the fronts were getting a little worn.

Oh and ITV :rolleyes:

. If your going to take a break you dont do it 3 laps from the end with the two in front only 0.4 seconds apart THEN replay the laps you missed after the race just to rub salt into the wounds :mad:

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Emlyn_Dewar · 24 Apr 2005 at 18:20

ITV Sport has apologised to it British viewers for taking an advertising break in the final three laps of today's San Marino Grand Prix but said the disturbance was unavoidable.

ITV, which covers the Formula One races live to more than 11 million viewers in England, drew heavy criticism from fans today after they moved to a three-minute advertising break in the closing laps of a thrilling race, which saw World Champion Michael Schumacher battling with race leader Fernando Alonso for the win.

With just over three laps to go, and the Ferrari nose right at the back of the Renault, the British station cut to advertising and returned amidst the final lap of the race.

But a source at the ITV team told Autosport-Atlas the break was unavoidable, as the station had held out on cutting to commercials for as long as it could.

"We are contractually committed to a number of ad breaks, and when it started to get exciting [on track] we held off, expecting the battle to be settled at any point. But when nothing happened, we just had to take the break, as we're contractually forced to do so."

ITV are commited to fit in five commercial breaks, each about three minutes long.

A spokesman for ITV Sport told Autosport-Atlas: "Obviously we're a commercial channel, and if you would have missed anything, we'd have brought the action [after the break] as a replay. In this case, the lead didn't change hands.

"We're sorry for any frustration it might have caused the viewers."

JRS · 24 Apr 2005 at 18:29

What, so by their contract they couldn't have delayed that break until just after the flag had been waved? One word:

BULL****

***edit***

Thinking about it, they usually do an advert break right after the race anyway, so maybe they couldn't move that one. But that close to the end......just not clever on ITVs part.

Stormrider · 24 Apr 2005 at 18:35

Scarfacé said:
Button wasn't on his second engine I don't think.

Great end to the race though. Shame about Kimi's bad luck, again.

ah yes - was thinking about Kimi and Alonso.

PikeyPriest · 24 Apr 2005 at 19:20

Damn that Ferrari was dominant! If the aerodynamics of the cars were more forgiving - IE with a LOWER FRONT WING!, maybe they the cars could get behind each other + maybe get in the slip-stream. Though they tried to improve this, the new rules have made this even worse by a big margin. The only overtaking i saw today was in pits or errors. There were 1 or 2 due to skill - MS on Button + a few around the start, but seriously, we want the cars to be able to challenge each other easily!!

MS started to lap 2/3 s slower when he caught up to Alonso but struggled to get any kind of slip-stream (i know the renault had better traction), but they really need to make it easier to follow cars. What was with the 0.5-1s gap between all the cars after the first lap?? Surely that shows how the dirty air is affecting following cars!!

/rant over.

Very nice to see Button doing well though. A few more developments and his car may be challenging the Renault + maybe even the Ferrari.

Flibster · 24 Apr 2005 at 20:00

Race Results.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			62	1:27:41.921	2	10 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			62	+0.2 secs	13	8 
3	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		62	+10.4 secs	3	6 
4	10	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	62	+27.5 secs	7	5 
5	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		62	+34.7 secs	6	4 
6	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		62	+64.4 secs	11	3 
7	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			62	+70.2 secs	5	2 
8	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			62	+70.8 secs	10	1 
9	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		62	+71.2 secs	8	 
10	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		62	+83.2 secs	4	 
11	15	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		62	+83.7 secs	15	 
12	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		61	+1 Lap		18	 
13	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		61	+1 Lap		14	 
14	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		61	+1 Lap		16	 
15	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		60	+2 Laps		17	 
Ret	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	20	Hydraulics	20	 
Ret	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			18	Electrical	9	 
Ret	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	9	Driveshaft	1	 
Ret	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	8	Clutch		19	 
Ret	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			5	Accident	12

Fastest Laps.

Code:

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed	 Laptime[/b]
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			48	15:11:02	216.946	 1:21.858 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		22	14:34:15	214.987	 1:22.604 
3	10	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	24	14:37:29	213.902	 1:23.023 
4	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			22	14:34:08	213.619	 1:23.133 
5	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	8	14:14:34	213.201	 1:23.296 
6	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		23	14:36:04	213.016	 1:23.368 
7	15	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		46	15:09:27	212.710	 1:23.488 
8	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		37	14:56:53	212.420	 1:23.602 
9	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		54	15:20:59	211.623	 1:23.917 
10	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		45	15:07:46	211.371	 1:24.017 
11	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			44	15:06:21	211.358	 1:24.022 
12	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		20	14:32:18	211.177	 1:24.094 
13	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			19	14:30:32	210.836	 1:24.230 
14	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		17	14:27:36	210.364	 1:24.419 
15	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			13	14:22:01	210.325	 1:24.435 
16	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		22	14:35:05	209.813	 1:24.641 
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		19	14:30:58	209.620	 1:24.719 
18	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			4	14:09:17	207.305	 1:25.665 
19	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	18	14:30:16	203.143	 1:27.420 
20	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	5	14:11:00	201.041	 1:28.334

Pit Stops

Code:

[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time	Total time[/b]
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		16	14:26:34	29.367	29.367 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			17	14:27:37	25.132	25.132 
1	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		20	14:32:20	24.843	24.843 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		21	14:33:17	25.275	25.275 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			21	14:33:18	25.341	25.341 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		21	14:33:39	26.942	26.942 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			22	14:34:38	25.561	25.561 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		22	14:34:39	24.856	24.856 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			23	14:35:29	24.715	24.715 
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		23	14:36:01	25.184	25.184 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		23	14:36:05	26.298	26.298 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		24	14:36:59	25.833	25.833 
1	10	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:38:50	25.787	25.787 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		25	14:39:22	25.856	25.856 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			27	14:41:36	25.529	25.529 
1	15	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		27	14:42:14	25.674	25.674 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		40	15:01:24	26.464	51.307 
2	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		41	15:02:26	29.836	59.203 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			42	15:02:27	24.165	48.880 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		42	15:03:31	25.379	50.235 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		42	15:04:01	31.257	58.199 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		44	15:06:21	24.229	49.504 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			44	15:06:21	23.282	48.623 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			45	15:07:43	23.136	48.697 
2	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		46	15:08:41	24.970	50.154 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		46	15:09:07	23.905	50.203 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		46	15:09:41	23.753	49.609 
2	10	Alexander Wurz		McLaren-Mercedes	47	15:09:58	24.446	50.233 
2	15	Vitantonio Liuzzi	Red Bull Racing		47	15:10:49	23.502	49.176 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		48	15:11:03	24.455	50.288 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			49	15:12:22	22.170	47.699 
3	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		49	15:14:49	48.542	1:39.849 
4	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		52	15:20:11	35.131	2:14.980

Stellios · 24 Apr 2005 at 20:28

What can i say. I went out so had to tape it. What a race, the end was sooooooooo brilliant, just glad Alonso managed to hold on to first, he deserved it.