2005 San Marino Grand Prix

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My view on the race.

Minardi - the new car looks good. Had been high up in the spped trap - think it needs a lot more work though.

Jordan - It's a sorry state of affairs for Jordan that Minardi get more press than them. Can't say anything about their race - didn't see bugger all of them.

Red Bull Racing - This is where I was expecting them to be at the beginning of the year. Hopefully they've got some developments coming soon. Coulthard had now been on top of his team mate for the past couple of races. Liuzzi's first race - beat Coulthard which I suppose in the circumstances was the best he could do.

Sauber - Villeneuve did well. Massa never recovered from his engine change. Very scrappy race for him.

Williams - Bad race for them - Just off the pace. Plus both their 1st drivers are nursing injuries.

Toyota - Well - they're still scoring points. Not a good race compared to current form - but compared to the previous years they're flying along. Best improved team this year so far.

McLaren - Shame about Kimi - he had the pace to win and was not happy with his driveshaft failure. Apparently he was on the same fuel load as Wurz. As for Wurz - he impressed me. Kept out of trouble and brought home a good result. Had the 3rd fastest lap as well. Especially good when you consider he was using de la Rosa's engine from Bahrain.

Ferrari - Well the F2005 isn't reliable yet. But it is much faster than it was last race. Anyone feel sorry for Barrichello - It's always his car. Schumacher had a very good and very lucky race. If he pitted a couple of laps earlier or later and he could have been stuck in traffic - we all saw how well he did with his brother, Button and Alonso.

Renault - Alonso has proven how good his is. Being able to withstand that pressure in a mis-handling car. Fisichella seems to be having a bad time at the moment. Don't know if anything broke but that was a bizzare accident.

Driver of the day for me was Alonso - wasn't the best car but still won.

Loser of the day - The sport...again... Get rid of the pitstops altogether. force people to overtake rather than mince around until the pit stop.
 
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Here's something to make people even more confused and disgusted...

A problem for BAR?

As night was falling in Imola word went around the F1 paddock that there might be a problem with the BAR-Honda of Jenson Button. The car remains in the scrutineering area at the moment.

Fantastic, ugh! This better just be rumour and have no truth in it at all!
Also, Ralf Schumacher has been given some sort of strange penalty for a massively vagure reason, Toyota are obviously appealing because the vagueness was making everyone ill!

I hate F1 when stuff like this happens, it's just so damn annoying!
 
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Yeah - Ralf has been given a 25 second penalty.

The San Marino Race Director has referred Toyota’s Ralf Schumacher to the stewards for an incident that occurred with Nick Heidfeld's Williams following his second pit stop.

Having reviewed the evidence, the stewards considered that it was an unsafe manoeuvre and applied a 25-second penalty to the German, who finished the race in eighth place. However, Toyota are appealing the decision.

"In view of the extremely vague description of the regulation and a number of similar incidents which have gone unpunished, Toyota has decided to appeal the decision of the stewards in order to clarify this issue for the future," explained team principal Tsutomu Tomita.

If Toyota’s appeal fails, Schumacher will drop out of the points in the Imola placings and Heidfeld will inherit a point by moving up to eighth place.
 

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Flibster said:
Loser of the day - The sport...again... Get rid of the pitstops altogether. force people to overtake rather than mince around until the pit stop.

Thing is, with the current regs they cant overtake. Looking at the pace of Schuey compared to Button (3 seconds a lap faster at one point) he still couldnt get by until Button made a very basic mistake and hesitated. The aero regs have went to far and really are killing the sport. Plus with a track as sanitised as Imola (although in this case you can argue with good reason) there are just no places to pass easily.

Is it just me or does every F1 thread end up with this discussion at some point? Wish they would just sort the sport out.
 
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My view on the race.

Driver of the day for me was Alonso - wasn't the best car but still won.

LOL, don't make me laugh. Not only was the little arrogant (20 laps till qualy - with the Renault bosses all through the weekend overconfident about their 'superior car') Spaniard low on fuel compared to MS when he put it on the front row, he sat there doing nothing for the entire race apart from the end. Yes he showed more Championship material compared to Button when MS was right behind him, but lets face it in this day and age its not hard to keep someone behind u in an F1 car.

One driver drove 2 s a lap faster then the next person on the track, overtook 6 places in the space of 5 laps and had more fuel then anyone in qualy and yet Alonso gets driver of the day.

MS was the driver of the day by miles. Don't get me wrong I support Alonso as well, but today wasn't one of his better races.
 
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MS driver of the day? Well, I dunno really, why?
It's definately between Alonso and MS but, "honestly" (as schumi would say) It has to go to Alonso, kept a level head even when Schumi was hounding the back of him locking up left, right and center, ok so there weren't that many lock ups but for the basis of my story, I'll pretend...
Just because Schumi was using a new engine and Ferrari pretty much test every hour of every day, that car is a monster. You can never give someone driver of the day for having a fast car...

What would MS have done if he was put under that pressure? *Lock, Slide, Gravel* :D

Edit: On a side note, the engine regulations are really getting right on my **** now, they were poor before, but now! God damn it, I just can't believe that they managed to get that rule put in place. It's ***** ruins everything!
 
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MS was the driver of the day by miles. Don't get me wrong I support Alonso as well, but today wasn't one of his better races.


Driver of the day needs to OVERTAKE someone on the track and not in the pits! He only got Jenson cause of the williams..A racing driver races the other cars not pit stops!.. I hate these carp rules. I hate bernie for being a greedy git and I hate Max Mosley for ruining the sport and did I mention James Allen??....what a ****! I wish I could mute him and just listen to Martin Brundle

Alonso gets it for me for not panicking with the pressure
 
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Update about Button's BAR...

For several hours after today's Grand Prix, it appeared that Jenson Button might lose his third place, as stewards investigated the Englishman's car.

However, almost six hours after the race had finished, the stewards issued a statement giving the BAR 007 the all-clear.

"Immediately following the end of the race the car was weighed in the configuration it had finished and was above the minimum weight limit," read the statement.

"It was subsequently drained of fuel and then re-weighed and found to be underweight."

"The stewards after hearing the explanation of the competitor's representatives and studying all the available documentation decided that the matter requires no further action."

So they weighed it in race trim and it was abonve the minimum weight..
They then drained the fuel from it and it was below the minimum weight.
Where's the problem?
As long as it finished about the magic 600kg *or is it 605kg now??* with the driver...it's legal.

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Looks like Buttons BAR has been passed:

Jenson Button scored the first podium and points for the BAR team on Sunday, but his joy didn't last for long when he heard his car was under investigation by the stewards of the meeting long after the race. At 10pm though the stewards of the meeting at the Imola track confirmed Button's third place was legal.

"Immediately following the end of the race the car was weighed in the configuration it had finished and was above the minimum weight limit," the stewards of the meeting said in a FIA statement. "It was subsequently drained of fuel and then re-weighed and found to be underweight. The stewards, after hearing the explanation of the competitor's representatives and studying all the available documentation, decided that the matter requires no further action."

Button and Sato both scored points with their third and fifth place. The first points of the season for the BAR team.

edit: beaten by flibster ... again :)
 
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ashtray_head said:
Driver of the day needs to OVERTAKE someone on the track and not in the pits! He only got Jenson cause of the williams..A racing driver races the other cars not pit stops!.. I hate these carp rules. I hate bernie for being a greedy git and I hate Max Mosley for ruining the sport and did I mention James Allen??....what a ****! I wish I could mute him and just listen to Martin Brundle

Alonso gets it for me for not panicking with the pressure

Remind me again who Alonso overtoke today.

MS overtoke well lets see now u start in 13th, 3 cars ahead of u drop out, u finish in 2nd...hmmm...!
 
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Flibster said:
Update about Button's BAR...



So they weighed it in race trim and it was abonve the minimum weight..
They then drained the fuel from it and it was below the minimum weight.
Where's the problem?
As long as it finished about the magic 600kg *or is it 605kg now??* with the driver...it's legal.

Simon/~Flibster

ARTICLE 4 : WEIGHT
4.1 Minimum weight :
The weight of the car must not be less than 605 kg during the
qualifying practice session and no less than 600 kg at all other
times during the Event.
4.2 Ballast :
Ballast can be used provided it is secured in such a way that tools
are required for its removal. It must be possible to fix seals if
deemed necessary by the FIA technical delegate.
4.3 Adding during the race :
With the exception of fuel and compressed gases, no substance
may be added to the car during the race. If it becomes necessary to
replace any part of the car during the race, the new part must not
weigh any more than the original part.

Wonder what they argued then.
 
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Yea, MS has to be the driver of the day. Easily the most aggressive driver with the possible exception of the first stint before he was released by his brother. Alonso was the 3rd fastest + did stable (BUT SLOW) laps and you think that makes him the driver of the race???

13->2 is much better than 1 -> 1, with the guy who started 13th up your backside + who would have passed you if the aerodynamic rules werent screwed........
 
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Type_R said:
Remind me again who Alonso overtoke today.

MS overtoke well lets see now u start in 13th, 3 cars ahead of u drop out, u finish in 2nd...hmmm...!
Totally agree. How can you imagine naming anyone else driver of the day other than MS? Alonso is an awesome driver but credit should be given when due.
Whatever your view on MS he made todays race one of the best F1 events in quite some time. I was about to give up watching but then Ralph pitted and Michael took off! Class.
 
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I really dont know. IIRC Alonso has never been under that much pressure before and he handled it brilliantly, but MS done great to get through the pack up to 2nd. Personally I cant call it.

Brilliant race, best race ive seen since Monaco last year IMO.
 
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And apart from Button *who made a bit of a balls up* - who did M.Schumacher overtake on the track then? Errrr....no-one. It was all in the pitstops. Hell - he couldn't even get pas his brother in a MUCH slower car.

He drove a fast car quickly in clear air - Alonso drove a slower, mis-handling car fast and well enough to keep him behind for 11 laps.

He did it cleverly actually - braking to a slower speed than he would have normally then using the Renaults fantastic traction to pull away a couple of car lengths.

Alonso showed that he has the ability to soak up pressure *for the second race in a row* and could think about how best to keep his opponent behind him with worse equipment.

Going from the first few laps of the race Kimi was in for a shout of Driver of the day - shame the car died.

Villeneuve was someone else I considered - but we didn't really get to see what Massa could do - he was too busy knocking bits of Coulthards car off. :D

Looking at the full lap chart - Villeneuve overtook more in that race than he did in several years of of being in the B.A.R.'s :D

Wurz was another candidate - but he didn't really stand out. He was dependable rather than extrordinary. *Unlike de la Rosa who did get DOTD as he was sheer entertainment*
 
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Villeneuve was like a completely different person this race, when you compare his and Massa's lap times, he comfortably wins. Massa might have had the fastest lap out of the Sauber, but Jaques drove faster, for longer.
Hopefully we see more of this from him, he was looking pretty racey and Massa was out providing the enjoyment factor! :D The more I think about it, there were quite a few highlights that justify me calling this "A very good race" good good, I just hope Ferrari don't storm away in Barcelona! *Worries*
And if they do, maybe build Rubens a car that works... :rolleyes:
 
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Sounded a more enjoyable race to watch than normal. Guess I won't find it quite as good to watch, as I recorded (cannot be bothered to get stay up late at night anymore).

Hope Schumi now can keep putting up a fight this season... though Renault and Alonso so far deserve to take the WCC.
 

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The race was fantastic, I don't normally take my hat of to Michael but today would have been one of the few I would have clapped him if he had won...was a true master class.

Without doubt had Raikonnen not gone off I feel he would have had a car to match Michael and that it was a simple case of the Renaults and BAR's not being up with them. Unfortunately, the most unlucky driver in F1 at the mo IMO lost out to drivetrain failure - unfortunate :(

After seeing the last 12 laps of the race, I do feel we've got a new champion ready to take over the crown from Michael Schumacher.
 
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Joe T said:
I understand that it is F1 testing at SIlverstone on Tues, Weds and Thurs this week. I think Im probably going to go along on one of the days. Anyone have any ideas/rumours about which teams may be up there?

Many thanks
Anyone? Thanks :)
 
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