2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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Complete and utter farce. This has come very close to destroying all respect I have for the FIA, I have about 1% left now.

Then again, I also believe that the FIA are biased towards Ferrari aswell. For one simple logical reason too.

The FIA is nothing but ******** (Something a bull doesn't need anymore). But Bulls always go for red things, so it's clearly logical that unless you have a red car, you can't win.

This penalty is a clear and utter joke. Going into the La-Source hairpin, Hamilton was directly 'behind' Kimi, a full car length (If thats not 'letting the car back in front, then I don't know what is). Then Hamilton is the better of the two and manages to outbreak Kimi into the corner and gets the pass. Complete ********. Hamilton would have had to be going 'slower' than Raikonnen to allow the Ferrari to pass, how is that gaining an advantage?

I've been a fan of Formula 1 since 1993 and have never ever missed a race in 15 years. This, in my opinion, is by far one of, if not THE the worst decision ever made in the past 15 years.

I really hope McLaren/Hamilton take both titles this year so they can stick two fingers up at the FIA and laugh.

In my opinion, if another farce like this occurs soon, then a breakaway championship will be a real possibility. Without Mad Max at the reigns.
 
To me it seems clear;

- Side by side into the chicane
- KR gave LH no room and squeezed him out (fair enough)
- LH took the safe option of cutting the corner to avoid a probably collision
- LH doesn't accelerate as hard as he could have to give back the lead to KR
- No slipstreaming occurs and LH outbrakes KR into turn 1.

that's it.
 
olv said:
To me it seems clear;

- Side by side into the chicane
- KR gave LH no room and squeezed him out (fair enough)
- LH took the safe option of cutting the corner to avoid a probably collision
- LH doesn't accelerate as hard as he could have to give back the lead to KR
- No slipstreaming occurs and LH outbrakes KR into turn 1.

that's it.
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\o/ i agree with this :)
 
look Kimi messed up defending at la source the only advantage hami gained was being slightly slower at the top of the hill and gaining the momentum to outbrake at the bottom.
If Charlie W said it was ok in his opinion and he was wrong then things are a bit messed up.

Personally I find this all very sad and petty, it's only a motor race so why twist the rules. A fixed championship is a very dull one
 
JUMPURS said:
Do you think LH had the racing line?? Kimi's is the one i would take trying to hit the 2 apex's, but LH had totally missed the first, so i think Kimi is the one on the line.
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No, LH can never have the racing line because Kimi is sat on it refusing to give it up no matter what and (despite giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier) seems intent on giving Hamilton 2 options, hit me or get off the road.

I dont think I understand because you use the word missed. LH missed nothing, LH places his car on the outside of the track because Kimi protects the racing line. LH obviously had a lot more speed entering the corner because of the slipstream. LH holds the outside position and should have done so until the left hander. LH knows he has position on KR and so does KR, which is why KR forces him to the left. But there is hanging someone out to dry and forcing them off the track.
 
gord said:
No, LH can never have the racing line because Kimi is sat on it refusing to give it up no matter what and (despite giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier) seems intent on giving Hamilton 2 options, hit me or get off the road.

I dont think I understand because you use the word missed. LH missed nothing, LH places his car on the outside of the track because Kimi protects the racing line. LH obviously had a lot more speed entering the corner because of the slipstream. LH holds the outside position and should have done so until the left hander. LH knows he has position on KR and so does KR, which is why KR forces him to the left. But there is hanging someone out to dry and forcing them off the track.
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Kimi fluked it last year and maybe he'll do it again, personally i cannot stand the guy, obviously i dont know him myself :P
 
gord said:
No, LH can never have the racing line because Kimi is sat on it refusing to give it up no matter what and (despite giving him the benefit of the doubt earlier) seems intent on giving Hamilton 2 options, hit me or get off the road.

I dont think I understand because you use the word missed. LH missed nothing, LH places his car on the outside of the track because Kimi protects the racing line. LH obviously had a lot more speed entering the corner because of the slipstream. LH holds the outside position and should have done so until the left hander. LH knows he has position on KR and so does KR, which is why KR forces him to the left. But there is hanging someone out to dry and forcing them off the track.
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Sorry missed is the wrong word.
Kimi is on the racing line, and iirc he has every right to stay on it. If someone wants to pass they need to do it when it is safe and they have the room. Kimi is within his right to keep the racing line and give no quarter, which is fine.
 
Perhaps the FIA's arguement is more along the lines of.. if that was monaco and there was a wall there, lewis would have never tried that overtake. The track doesnt have a wall there because it would be unsafe to do so. If Lewis had indeed stayed within the white lines of the track and not ran over it as he did, he would have lost a lot more ground on kimi than he did, thus not being in a position to fairly outbreak kimi as he did. Its really go nothing to do with "not lifting" or anything like that. Its all about the fact that he basically lost no ground to kimi dispite having gone off the track, where as if that was grass or a wall he would have. I think that's the point they are trying to make.
To me though, lewis, and cutting corners, is a bit of a sore point since canada and the final chicane.
 
olv said:
To me it seems clear;

- Side by side into the chicane
- KR gave LH no room and squeezed him out (fair enough)
- LH took the safe option of cutting the corner to avoid a probably collision
- LH doesn't accelerate as hard as he could have to give back the lead to KR
- No slipstreaming occurs and LH outbrakes KR into turn 1.

that's it.
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Not according to Lewis.
LH said:
I got in his tow and he was ducking and diving left and right and I did the same and managed to get back to the inside of him.
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From the post race press conference.
http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2008/9/8335.html
 
realscot said:
Perhaps the FIA's arguement is more along the lines of.. if that was monaco and there was a wall there, lewis would have never tried that overtake. The track doesnt have a wall there because it would be unsafe to do so. If Lewis had indeed stayed within the white lines of the track and not ran over it as he did, he would have lost a lot more ground on kimi than he did, thus not being in a position to fairly outbreak kimi as he did. Its really go nothing to do with "not lifting" or anything like that. Its all about the fact that he basically lost no ground to kimi dispite having gone off the track, where as if that was grass or a wall he would have. I think that's the point they are trying to make.
To me though, lewis, and cutting corners, is a bit of a sore point since canada and the final chicane.
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That is the point i have been trying to make. If it had been a wall or gravel etc, Lewis would have kept it on the black stuff, and would still have owned kimi.
 
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