2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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olv said:
He was probably off his **** on adrenaline. The video evidence clearly shows that he was behind kimi for all of 0.0002 seconds.
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So in this thread so far when giving proof or examples i have been told 'Ferrari are probably lying' and now LH doesn't know when he is in a slipstream of another car??

Hell what's the point in saying anything then if that is the kind of responses that is going to come back. Someone sitting on their couch thousands of miles away, knows better than the man in the seat.
Have something i hate. :rolleyes:
 
silly of subjet slightly but why do people post there user names below there posts? its clear who its from and surely uses up bandwidith blah blah just like the sigs do
 
olv said:
To me it seems clear;

- Side by side into the chicane
- KR gave LH no room and squeezed him out (fair enough)
- LH took the safe option of cutting the corner to avoid a probably collision
- LH doesn't accelerate as hard as he could have to give back the lead to KR
- Very little slipstreaming occurs and LH outbrakes KR into turn 1.

that's it.
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I agree with this apart from the small change i've made.
 
JUMPURS said:
So in this thread so far when giving proof or examples i have been told 'Ferrari are probably lying' and now LH doesn't know when he is in a slipstream of another car??

Hell what's the point in saying anything then if that is the kind of responses that is going to come back. Someone sitting on their couch thousands of miles away, knows better than the man in the seat.
Have something i hate. :rolleyes:
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I dont know about the lying bit, but it seems like you are saying that someone on their couch thousands of miles away cant watch between the 22nd and 30th second of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEYjNoBYo0. If Hamilton in the heat of things thought he was slipstreaming Kimi then thats wonderful, but erroneous nonetheless.
 
gord said:
I dont know about the lying bit, but it seems like you are saying that someone on their couch thousands of miles away cant watch between the 22nd and 30th second of this clip http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCEYjNoBYo0. If Hamilton in the heat of things thought he was slipstreaming Kimi then thats wonderful, but erroneous nonetheless.
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Someone said that to me when i said Ferrari said they didn't report the Kimi/LH incident to the race stewards.

TBH i think LH is the person who is most likely to know when he is in the slipstream of a car.
And even just supposing he imagined it, it then proves intent, no?
 
JUMPURS said:
So in this thread so far when giving proof or examples i have been told 'Ferrari are probably lying' and now LH doesn't know when he is in a slipstream of another car??

Hell what's the point in saying anything then if that is the kind of responses that is going to come back. Someone sitting on their couch thousands of miles away, knows better than the man in the seat.
Have something i hate. :rolleyes:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

please show me at which point there is any significant tow going on? The only time he is behind KR is when he is crossing over to the inside line. It doesn't matter what he said in the interview, the video evidence is plain.
 
olv said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

please show me at which point there is any significant tow going on? The only time he is behind KR is when he is crossing over to the inside line. It doesn't matter what he said in the interview, the video evidence is plain.
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Sorry i didn't notice that the youtube video showed airflow and it's effects on F1 cars. Must have missed that one, is it a filter you get?
 
NathanE said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5UnPeyzcHM

See this video of when Schumacher received NO PENALTY... kind of puts things into perspective.
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THATS the one I was looking for Nathan!
I wanted to show that there was no penalty in that incident.

But then we can say that why was Massa penalised 10k Euros for the pit release where others were not in the previous race.

FIA inconsistency more than Ferrari favouritism.
 
realscot said:
Perhaps the FIA's arguement is more along the lines of.. if that was monaco and there was a wall there, lewis would have never tried that overtake. The track doesnt have a wall there because it would be unsafe to do so. If Lewis had indeed stayed within the white lines of the track and not ran over it as he did, he would have lost a lot more ground on kimi than he did, thus not being in a position to fairly outbreak kimi as he did. Its really go nothing to do with "not lifting" or anything like that. Its all about the fact that he basically lost no ground to kimi dispite having gone off the track, where as if that was grass or a wall he would have. I think that's the point they are trying to make.
To me though, lewis, and cutting corners, is a bit of a sore point since canada and the final chicane.
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If that is the case what about the Ferrari going WELL wide on the first corner numerous times. giving THEM an advantage

That however is ignored
 
JUMPURS said:
Sorry i didn't notice that the youtube video showed airflow and it's effects on F1 cars. Must have missed that one, is it a filter you get?
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Don't be silly, there is hardly a moment where the McLaren is in the hole in the air being created by the Ferrari.
 
JUMPURS said:
Sorry i didn't notice that the youtube video showed airflow and it's effects on F1 cars. Must have missed that one, is it a filter you get?
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ahhh yes, the magical 4 mile wide wall of air that all F1 cars shift out of their way.
 
NathanE said:
McLaren specifically said he lifted to let KR back in front and that crossing the start line he was 6 km/hr slower than KR proving that he gained no advantage.
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The only major advantage I saw him gain was from Kimi leaving the door to the hairpin wide open and taking it like a Sunday driver.

Slipstreaming is marginal at best away from long straights.
 
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