2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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Well, the FIA took away the Constructors title last year, away from McLaren, it looks like they want to do the same with the Drivers title this year.

They really are pulling out all the stops now.

I'm quite dissapointed.

Hamilton definitely deserved more points than Massa at Spa today. Perhaps Hamilton should seek a move to Ferrari. Once there, he will be allowed to dominate as much as he likes. The FIA will not stand in his way at all.
 
If people didn't see the race or know the result I think most people would come to the conclusion that as a result of the incident Raikonnnen finished second and Hamilton unfairly gained first place.

Lets not forget Raikonnen failed to finish the race.

Massa was in no way involved in the incident so the way he has benefited from this farce is even more galling.
 
The rule is that a car that cuts a corner and gains a position should give the position back (AFAIK that is all)
I can't believe that the FIA now say that he gained an advantage even though LH fully complied to the rule but letting KR past, the fact that he (supposedly) slipstreamed straight after that is irrelevant.

Are the FIA rewriting the rulebook on the fly :confused:
 
Gaygle said:
Just watched it again on ITV highlights and there is no way Hamilton is guilty of anything. The place was given back to KR plain and simple - Hamilton just stole it back moments after because he took the next corner better.

And that video above sums up the FIA tbh
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Just back from the race :) And had to watch the rerun for the Hamilton move.

The way I saw it, Hamilton had far more momentum to pass Kimi than he would have done if he had used the track previously. So saw this coming.

but... there needs to be more consistancy, they changed the stewarding in response to the stewards Ferrari bias in the schumacher era (remember Montoya getting done for a clean overtake on MS in 2003), and its still happening :confused:
 
Ridiculous decision.

A few questions raised:
Where do the stewards get their penalty values from?
I can't imagine they sit around a table and say: "well chaps, we've got x number of investigations still to make, what shall be their punishments if guilty?" But that is what comes across as happening. There's no consistency. 10 seconds, 25 seconds, grid place demotions, disqualification have all been used for various 'offences'.
One case in point, today:
Glock penalised for overtaking under yellows - a "dangerous" move, surely?
Hamilton penalised for a sporting offence - cutting a chicane.
It's a shame that the stewards have given no explanation as to why 2 very different offences warranted the same punishment.

Who made these decisions?
Being fairly knowledgeable about the sport and people involved, and having followed it for 10 years, I might expect to know the stewards who made this decision. So far, not a single news article has mentioned them, or that man who was put in to oversee all stewarding decisions. It seems like there's confusion on this. Imagine one of the millions of Joe Publics who tune into the race every other Sunday just for the race. They haven't got a hope of being retained as viewers if what racing they see on the track bears no relation to the outcome. That would ultimately kill off the sport.

When the drivers take to the run-offs in the wet to gain grip, e.g. around Pouhen, why is this not discouraged?
I remember many drivers including Kimi, using this tactic to great effect at Fuji's washout last year, and again I saw him trying it around Pouhen today, then having a run at Hamilton. I don't mind it personally, it shows ingenuity, however, is there not a parallel with 'cutting the chicane' as Lewis has been penalised for. Fair enough if it is used to avoid a bigger spin that may have happened by staying on the track.
 
I sense some angry people on here :o.

I'll be honest, if this doesn't get overturned, I think the FIA will be doing massive damage to F1, provided Hamilton fails to win the title now.

Squarehed - It's 10 seconds during the race, but 25 after, because including pit entry/exit time, and 10 seconds in the pits, it will come to approximately 25 seconds. If there is an infringement late in the race, the stewards will impose the 25 second penalty.
 
el_dazza said:
I sense some angry people on here :o.

I'll be honest, if this doesn't get overturned, I think the FIA will be doing massive damage to F1, provided Hamilton fails to win the title now.

Squarehed - It's 10 seconds during the race, but 25 after, because including pit entry/exit time, and 10 seconds in the pits, it will come to approximately 25 seconds. If there is an infringement late in the race, the stewards will impose the 25 second penalty.
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It's fairly convenient that 25 seconds neatly demotes LH to third though. A 10 second penalty would have left him in 1st...
 
Stormrider said:
true enough - he just seemed *very* upset about it.
Its not the sort of thing I'd expect from a 4 time champ car winner.
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True, maybe F1 just means that much to him.

EDIT - I'm also curious as to how on earth anyone thinks Hamilton had "momentum" over Kimi. I can only assume no-one really understands how momentum works. He was 6 km/h slower than Kimi over the line. Irrespective of how he accelerated to that point, if anyone had more momentum, Kimi did! Unless my understanding of physics is flawed?
 
I doubt it will get overturned. The FIA are so heavily biased against McLaren that they simply wont stop now unless their personnel are changed.

I also dont think that this decision will do any damage to F1. F1 is much too big to be damaged by an iffy decision against McLaren/Hamilton.

And, if Hamilton feels so hard done by, he can join Ferrari - I'm pretty sure they would quite happily take him as their No.1 driver next year, providing they dont get Alonso as well.
 
Squarehed said:
A few questions raised:
Where do the stewards get their penalty values from?
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Generally, it seems that recently it's their backsides.

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Who made these decisions?
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In this case, the 3 guilty parties were:
Nicholas Deschaux
Surinder Thatthi
Yves Bacquelaine

Squarehed said:
When the drivers take to the run-offs in the wet to gain grip, e.g. around Pouhen, why is this not discouraged?
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They removed all the discouragement to 'aid safety' There used to be gravel traps all around there. People tended to stay away from them.
 
Squarehed said:
Who made these decisions?
Being fairly knowledgeable about the sport and people involved, and having followed it for 10 years, I might expect to know the stewards who made this decision. So far, not a single news article has mentioned them, or that man who was put in to oversee all stewarding decisions. It seems like there's confusion on this.
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... race stewards Nicholas Deschaux, Surinder Thatti and Yves Bacquelaine ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7603179.stm
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JUMPURS said:
I honestly think
- Kimi has the right of way as he is in the better position and on the racing line.
- Hamilton could have kept it on the track, and would have, had it not been an easy exit, he also gets out before the grass too.
- The amount of wheel to wheel racing that has been going on this season, i don't know what would have happened, was there not an earlier incident of someone getting spun?? Maybe it was Glock involved in an early lap?
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Was Kovalinen went in too hot and half cocked at Webber - He got a drive through penalty.
 
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