2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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It's at the point where I just can't be bothered any more... There'll be bickering for years about this and rightly so. Without hard evidence we can't really say much, however, the FIA have really dropped the ball on this one.

I think both KR and LH made some questionable moves in those last couple of laps, it was a stunning last couple of laps though, that can not be argued.
I know consistancy(sp?) isn't something the FIA does all that well but a fine would have been far better than a 25 second penalty.

Nobody would care about a fine, everyone cares when the FIA is "engineering" AGAIN though.
I really like a close championship that goes down to the wire, when that close championship is a false one though... That sucks.

There's a danger of alienating a large percent of users and the FIA really should tread carefully for the next while.
 
Gotta say I was furious with the penalty yesterday, but in the cold light of day I have to concede that Hamilton did gain an advantage by cutting the corner, namely by being right on Kimi's six when he started racing. If he hadn't have cut the corner i.e by braking or by not attempting the manoevre in the first place, he would have been a lot further behind Kimi on the straight.

What sucks is that if the situation had been reversed, Kimi (and possibly anyone else but McLaren) would have got away with it. There's definitely an anti-McLaren conspiracy in the FIA, even down to Charlie Whiting telling Ron Dennis it was ok, then reporting the incident to the stewards. How many times have I seen other teams get away with incidents similar to the one Kovaleinen got punished for yesterday?

It's a real shame that F1 has become such a non-spectacle these days. The last few laps of the race yesterday I was literally on the edge of my seat - I could feel my heart pumping. Now that's all been tainted. How about making F1 a winter sport?
 
CS||nuTs said:
The FIA will no doubt have their reasons but i for one smell a rat.
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I guess we will never see them saying the truth why they gave a penalty.

There was no advantage gained as LH was side by side with KR before cutting the corner and going across the finish line he was behind the Ferrari and I doubt he would have gained a lot by the 'slipstream' as it was so short, he just dared to brake later in damp conditions.
 
OMG, just read this what a totally bunch of bull****.

"We looked at all our data and also made it available to the FIA stewards," said the team. "It showed that, having lifted, Lewis was 6km/h slower than Kimi as they crossed the start-finish line. Having passed the lead back to Kimi, Lewis repositioned his car, moving across and behind Kimi to the right-hand line and then out-braked him into the hairpin. Based on this data, we have no option other than to register our intention to appeal."
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FIA you lost it this time. Give Hammy the win and let all the drama die. You are ruining the sport.

No swearing
 
TheStig1 said:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

looks to me like hamilton did not lift at all and used the corner cut to pass kimi into turn 1
he did the same in france cut the chicane to steal a spot and got a penalty so the fia has to be consistent
had he not cut the chicane he would not have been close to kimi
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You could say the same about Kimi, going wide at turn 9 or 10 cant remember, and being right up hammys gearbox. Kimi just didnt capitalize on his better traction out there.

Hamilton lifted off and let kimi through. He did it in such a way that he was 6km/h slower which is a fair bit and let kimi be in first place over the line. Hammy also gave kimi a dumby overtake on the outside, kimi brought it so he couldnt of gone back to the inside otherwise it would have been a double move. He then out braked kimi in the hairpin and got the place back. Every thing was legal so FIA change it back. :mad:
 
Sorry, all I've seen of the race this weekend is that clip.

imo there was no need for Hamiltion to go right off at the chicane he could have just let kimi go ahead and take a tighter line on the corner. That is where he got the advantage being able to to take a fast exit instead of a tight one.
After that knowing you were faster and that there was a chance of a penalty would you overtake at the very next corner? Kimi did hold the door right open for him but if the Ferarri was struggling so much it would have been easy to pass further around the track when there was no question of and advantage.

It's a shame but definitly a penalty of some sort!
 
so if you're lets say 2 seconds behind someone and have to go off track for whatever reason, then you are supposed to rejoin 2 seconds or more behind :confused:
how the heck are drivers supposed to gauge that one

the race was (last 2 laps) the most exciting race ive seen in a long time and then the FIA has to go and jam there size 9's into it
 
jaykay said:
You could say the same about Kimi, going wide at turn 9 or 10 cant remember, and being right up hammys gearbox. Kimi just didnt capitalize on his better traction out there.

Hamilton lifted off and let kimi through. He did it in such a way that he was 6km/h slower which is a fair bit and let kimi be in first place over the line. Hammy also gave kimi a dumby overtake on the outside, kimi brought it so he couldnt of gone back to the inside otherwise it would have been a double move. He then out braked kimi in the hairpin and got the place back. Every thing was legal so FIA change it back. :mad:
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video would suggest he did not lift at all
there is no crime in going wide and keeping going its when you gain a position from being off track is when they look at it
hamilton could have lifted in the corner and made the corner he decided to cut the track to set up a overtake nothing about how slower he was or the line its irrelevant he used the corner cut to gain a position
 
TheStig1 said:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=70rXr2Mkq_M

looks to me like hamilton did not lift at all and used the corner cut to pass kimi into turn 1
he did the same in france cut the chicane to steal a spot and got a penalty so the fia has to be consistent
had he not cut the chicane he would not have been close to kimi
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He would have bottomed out on the curb and probably taken Kimi with him. How can you say he didn't back off, Kimi clearly got ahead. Whether he backed off or Kimi was just faster, the place was still regained. You can clearly see Louis checking his right hand mirror until Kimi passed him.

What annoys me about the penalty is that Raikkonen crashed out, and he was the one effected by Hamiltons chicaine cutting. Dropping Hamilton 25 secs does not benefit Kimis WDC standing. A 10 place drop at the next race would have been more apt maybe. Silly.
 
Dup said:
What annoys me about the penalty is that Raikkonen crashed out, and he was the one effected by Hamiltons chicaine cutting. Dropping Hamilton 25 secs does not benefit Kimis WDC standing. A 10 place drop at the next race would have been more apt maybe. Silly.
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yes they could well have decided to give him a 10 place grid drop which i think they might do at the appeal
they decided to give him a drive/thru but if that is given inside the last 5 laps of the race then the rules state it is a 25 second time penalty
drive/thru is the standard penalty for this kind of thing and the same lewis got in france
 
He did not lift off but you can clearly see and hear that LH watched KR and did not apply full throttle until he saw that KR passed him, which is all he had to do according to the rules, everything that happens after that has nothing to do anymore as he already gave up his place.
 
had he back out in the corner as he should have since kimi defended his position very well then he would not have been that close that is the point not if he let him back through he used the cut to make the pass into turn 1
otherwise there is no point that chicane being there everyone can just cut it as long as they dont pass till turn 1?
 
TheStig1 said:
had he back out in the corner as he should have since kimi defended his position very well then he would not have been that close that is the point not if he let him back through he used the cut to make the pass into turn 1
otherwise there is no point that chicane being there everyone can just cut it as long as they dont pass till turn 1?
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sorry he didnt need to back out at the corner - there is no rule saying he has to, - all he has to be sure of (which he did AND MORE) was be in the same position after the corner that he was just as he was turning IN (ie being in the same position)

Seing as on the same straight he was blatantly behind KR and Charlie Whitting agreed that was all that was necessary - there is something really wrong with the appeal
 
Knowing what the FIA are like, if i had been in LH position, i would have overtaken Kimi after the 1st corner, it was obvious he was much faster than him, so it was only a matter of making the move a little bit later.

Im not saying the penalty was correct, or that no penalty was correct, but i questioned it as he did it.
 
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