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2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18
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I for one, am looking forward to the Monza race.
Life goes on, as does F1.
Spa was only 1 race and it didnt go the way it should have.
Hamilton will just have to learn to accept regular points deductions or move to Ferrari.
Either way, I want to see the Ferrari's fight with Hamilton (again) this weekend.
Life goes on, as does F1.
Spa was only 1 race and it didnt go the way it should have.
Hamilton will just have to learn to accept regular points deductions or move to Ferrari.
Either way, I want to see the Ferrari's fight with Hamilton (again) this weekend.
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*sigh*
And here it goes. Now all the Hamilton fans are going to go around shaking their heads, giving out weary sighs of martyrdom and bemoaning the fact that their boy ALWAYS gets penalised.
Newsflash - one penalty Hamilton has gotten this year has been questionable. One. This one. Are you of the opinion that people who amble back to the pits slowly on the racing line and nearly cause a ******* enormous accident shouldn't be penalised? Do you think that driving into the back of cars that are stationary at the end of the pitlane waiting for the red light while your team are telling you to hit the brakes shouldn't be punished? The first of his chicane-hopping moments this year (France) was pretty cut and dry as well.
Hell, I almost hope this one stands now. At least it'll mean that all the whining and griping in this thread can have some slight justification. Well done sunama - you've actually managed to make me lose the one bit of sympathy I've had for Hamilton all year. Go you!
There is a SUBTLE difference
Donnelly (one of the "travelling" stewards, not one of the crucial three though) is reported in some papers to be paid by Ferrari (road car division - as if that makes a difference)
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Sauce?
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Found something.
http://www.f1network.net/boards/read/s85.htm?85,9668537
So he's a PR guy, rather than a real steward?
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This situation keeps smelling more and more of poo.
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Why?
Because the FIA have a PA firm on the books who has also done work for Ferraris road car division in the past? I know there generally isn't smoke without fire, but you guys aren't even seeing smoke - just a shadow that might possibly have a chance at potentially being smoke....
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Ferrari S.p.A don't appear on their current client list. The FIA does, and FOM does, but Ferrari do not.
And anyway, no-one has offered up anything resembling proof that:
a) this firm did any work for Scuderia Ferrari, the Gestione Sportiva of Ferrari S.p.A who function fairly separately from the parent company*.
b) this Donnelly guy or his firm has anything at all to do with stewards decisions.
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At least, that's how it always worked in the past. Scuderia Ferrari took its funding from the road car division (which is the only reason why Ferrari ever built road cars in the first place, to fund sportscar and GP racing) but day-to-day functions were always kept separate.
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Certainly some sources are saying he is a little lower than Charlie Whiting
PR from consultancy point of view, but not at race weekends
"Officially co-ordinates the three stewards from one race to the next along with officially representing Max Mosley and until recently represented Ferrari's road car divisiion"
For the record - just because he doesnt announce that he works for Ferrari thru his consultancy firm "ie recently taken off the books" doesnt mean he still doesnt do something (its just recently not advertised that he does)
Clear conflict of interest imo
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I think you will find it is McLaren who tend to keep quiet about getting things from Ferrari.
lol at the clutching at straws and paranoia
almost as paranoid as those who feel the mclaren ecu has helped them massively this year and they use hidden features
Not at all - he has worked for the FIA and Ferrari simultaneously, not exactly independant by any stretch of the imagination
McLaren have certainly been GIVEN things by Ferrari in the pastI think you will find it is McLaren who tend to keep quiet about getting things from Ferrari.
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Well ****, what d'you want me to say? That I think the way the FIA deal with virtually everything is a complete mess, that the current administration is an utter farce and that I wish we had permanent stewards who travel to each GP and who are completely independent from the teams and the governing body? 'cause I've said that for a long time, but I'll say it again for you if you like. Here goes:
1) The current FIA leadership should be replaced by one that is competent and doesn't engage in sadomasochistic sex with prostitutes, Nazi-themed or otherwise.
2) We need fully independent stewards who travel to each and every one of the GPs in the season, so the same eyes look on the incidents each time and the same minds decide what should be done.
3) Those stewards should not have to stick rigidly to the current ruleset, because there are too many holes in it. They should either be allowed to exercise their own judgement as long as they can justify it, or the rules should have some serious work done to them.
I'm sorry to go all GD on you, but....source? I know the link I posted makes the claim that his firm used to do work for Ferrari S.p.A, but there are folks chattering all over the net making further claims without even saying where on Earth they get this stuff from.
So he "co-ordinates the three stewards" - well what in flying ****-land does that actually entail? I mean, is it clear evidence that he's manipulating them to his and Max's own devious ends or does it just mean that he looks after them and has his staff fetch them cups of tea every so often??
I stand by my previous statement - you aren't seeing the smoke accompanying a fire, you're seeing a shadow that you think looks like smoke. It's like a Rorschach test without the bloody ink....
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/mo...rd-McLaren-star-Lewis-Hamilton-choke-Spa.html
"Then it emerges that Alan Donnelly, who permanently 'co-ordinates' the three stewards who rotate from one round to the next - as well as officially representing FIA president Max Mosley at races - has taken the Ferrari shilling, through his London-based lobbying firm Sovereign Strategy.
The FIA confirmed the company worked with the Italian manufacturers' road car division, though not the F1 team on Thursday night.
Ferrari's name was erased from the list of clients a few months ago but there remains a tribute from Mosley on Sovereign's website.
Tens of thousands of fans have signed on-line petitions demanding the verdict should be rescinded. "
Just one of the many sources claiming that he acts as a Steward at all the F1 weekends and (certainly previously) acted on Ferrari's behalf away from the track
Its a CLEAR conflict of interest - how can he go from day to day away from the track working for Ferrari, to be seen as whiter than white at race weekends at the track and not pro-Ferrari, Im sorry this is impossible
"Then it emerges that Alan Donnelly, who permanently 'co-ordinates' the three stewards who rotate from one round to the next - as well as officially representing FIA president Max Mosley at races - has taken the Ferrari shilling, through his London-based lobbying firm Sovereign Strategy.
The FIA confirmed the company worked with the Italian manufacturers' road car division, though not the F1 team on Thursday night.
Ferrari's name was erased from the list of clients a few months ago but there remains a tribute from Mosley on Sovereign's website.
Tens of thousands of fans have signed on-line petitions demanding the verdict should be rescinded. "
Just one of the many sources claiming that he acts as a Steward at all the F1 weekends and (certainly previously) acted on Ferrari's behalf away from the track
Its a CLEAR conflict of interest - how can he go from day to day away from the track working for Ferrari, to be seen as whiter than white at race weekends at the track and not pro-Ferrari, Im sorry this is impossible
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