2008 Canadian Grand Prix - Race 7/18

Indeed they are but they will really be able to **** on the parade at Ferrari. Assuming they get good starts and can stay ahead for the first few laps whilst the first SC is in the making...
 
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Hamilton claims he has found a better line than all the other top drivers through the troubled hair pin corner.
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In the track guide he said how he had both wheels inside the white line, and going by the video of the last lap where he was airborne i'd believe him. Thing is tho, is that not classed as cutting the corner when u have all 4 wheels over the white line and you gain an advantage? I wonder if that would have been investigated had it not been for all the bad press the FIA have had already. Penalising hamilton forcing him to second on the grid by disallowing his time certainly wouldnt be popular, but imo it would be the right thing to do, or else whats stopping people cutting just a little more, then a little more, you have to draw a line somewhere.
 
I think nathan was referring to the hairpin which is breaking up by the second and you're referring to the final chicane?
 
sunama said:
This is the problem though with Heikki, isnt it. There is always an excuse for him not getting points and getting beaten comprehensively by other drivers in lesser cars.

Always an excuse:
1. Canada: sorry Guv, I'm carrying more fuel than my team mate, so I wont finish ahead of him in qualifying or the race.
2. Spain: sorry Guv, my tyre blew up and I crashed at 150mph, totalling the car and almost killing myself.
3. Monaco: sorry Guv, my steering wheel messed up which meant I couldnt get away on the formation lap, so had to start from the back.
4. Australia: sorry Guv, the safety car came out and while running a comfortable 3rd, the SC messed my race up allowing others to overtake me.
5. Monaco: sorry Guv, I didnt quite understand the SC situation. All the other cars were unlapping themselves at Monaco, while I decided I would give them a head start and let them overtake me, only for me to have to re-overtake them later on.
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You honestly think you're giving him a fair crack of the whip there (steady on Max!)?

Number 2 on your list - what the hell could he do? Even the mighty Lewis Hamilton wouldn't have kept that McLaren on the road with a failure like that. Number 3 - I seem to recall a bit of an electronics glitch completely ruining Hamilton's day in Brazil last year. Number 4 - he's not been alone in getting screwed by the safety car. Brundle noted in his column for The Sunday Times today that the rules are being looked at, not before time too.

About the only one in your list which is unforgivable is what happened at Monaco after he'd gotten away. He made some fairly basic errors all afternoon. But even so, he probably had a better race than some people I could mention. *cough* Alonso *cough*

As for today, and the fuel levels....we'll see, won't we? I have a terribly hard time believing that Hamilton is the best part of a second ahead of Raikkonen purely on raw speed. A few tenths, maybe a shade over half a second, I could see it. But 0.849 sec? At a track that Ferrari traditionally have quite a good time at - they've won something like 10 times there if memory serves? 1978, 1983, 1985, 1995, 1997-98, 2000, 2002-04....

0.849sec is an eternity. Maybe he did find a line that got him around the worst of the surface flakiness. Maybe all his main rivals dropped the ball on their lap. Maybe he's just that hooked up. But are those three a lot more likely than the simple explanation that he's not exactly got the car stuffed to the gills with fuel? And you'd have to say, on past Canadian GPs he'd be right not to. The brakes struggle to stay together without adding more weight, the safety car will no doubt make an appearance before the first pit-stop window anyway so he can save fuel then, and being on pole he can race away at the start to get himself a decent cushion should the race 'stay green' quite a long time.
 
We have to wait and see how the race pans out. But, my belief is that if Hamilton is carrying less fuel, it wont be by much. It might be that he is planning on stopping 3 times, as opposed to 2. He has the ability to pull this off - something that few other drivers have.

Ferrari have traditionally been strong here (or should I say M. Schumacher?) and that makes Hamilton's achievement even more impressive. We shall find out later today.

I shall be keeping an eye on Heikki and wait for the raft of excuses that will follow after his poor show in the Canadian GP. Remember, there's always an excuse.
 
Re watching qualifying for the sake of it. I didn't pick up the track disintegration the first time. But on kubicas run you can see the holes in the track even at over 100mph and you can also see the camera bounce as it goes over them. it really is looking bad on some sections.
 
Like I said earlier Acid - Dallas '84 was much, much worse. And back then, many of the drivers just got on with it rather than bitch about it post-qualifying. It's the same track for everyone, none of them is going to be specially disadvantaged by it.
 
JRS said:
Like I said earlier Acid - Dallas '84 was much, much worse. And back then, many of the drivers just got on with it rather than bitch about it post-qualifying. It's the same track for everyone, none of them is going to be specially disadvantaged by it.
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Don't get me wrong, there will be a race and it's the same for all drivers. But it just shows how poorly constructed it is. It will hopefully make it more exciting as well.

on a side note 84" is well before my time, well before stuff I can remember :D
 
Surely though, having pieces of tarmac coming away from the track could be dangerous as the tyres/wheels spinning at 1000s of RPM could kick up those pieces and throw them onto a car that might be following. Even worse, a piece could hit the helmet/visor of the driver and crack it. If this happens, the driver could be injured or the driver may flinch, causing a high speed crash.
 
sunama said:
Surely though, having pieces of tarmac coming away from the track could be dangerous as the tyres/wheels spinning at 1000s of RPM could kick up those pieces and throw them onto a car that might be following. Even worse, a piece could hit the helmet/visor of the driver and crack it. If this happens, the driver could be injured or the driver may flinch, causing a high speed crash.
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There's loads of debris on the track anyway.
 
AcidHell2 said:
I'm not saying it is, I'm not even saying it's that bad.
I'm just saying with modern technology it shouldn't be happening.
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Especially as they were meant to have finally fixed it last year.

Update on the track:

Following overnight resurfacing of the hairpin, track officials have continued work on parts of the circuit in the hours before the start of the race.

F1 race director Charlie Whiting took a tour of the circuit two hours before the start, and workers have been seen applying chemicals to the track at Turn 1 - where the resurfaced asphalt has been breaking up as well.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68121


Also Bourdais gets 5 place drop from 16th due to new gearbox.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/68097
 
Why do they race here? A track that is always falling to bits and its surrounded by water so access must be awful. The safety car is guaranteed as well. Bernie is always moaning about Silverstone and threatening to take the race away but no mention of Montreal losing its race. Bernie must make more money out of Montreal.
 
Peg said:
Why do they race here? A track that is always falling to bits and its surrounded by water so access must be awful. The safety car is guaranteed as well. Bernie is always moaning about Silverstone and threatening to take the race away but no mention of Montreal losing its race. Bernie must make more money out of Montreal.
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Access isn't that bad because its right next to the city centre and theres a metro station (subway) a short walk away over the bridges.
The only thing is there are VERY limited places to watch the track if you buy general admission tickets.
Absolutely must get a seat for any decent view.
 
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1200hp out of 1.5ltr engine?! I want one of those turbos for my Clio!

knip said:
They soooooo stood him by that painting on purpose....look at me im an F1 driver, but I also appreciate art.
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No need for mere paintings to show his appreciation of art, his beard is a masterpiece.
 
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