2008 Japanese GP - Race 16/18

[NicktheNorse]

I sort of get him, after so much domination by Ferrari it was nice to see Renault win championships with Alonso, and I'd like to see that happen again .

Maybe I'm confused after having gotten up at silly o'clock this morning but I still don't see it.

Surely it's a much greater achievement in the current situation for a Renault to be beating a Ferrari?

 

[Dup]

Maybe I'm confused after having gotten up at silly o'clock this morning but I still don't see it.

Surely it's a much greater achievement in the current situation for a Renault to be beating a Ferrari?

That's what I meant, read above

 

[Sparky]

Just announced.

25 second penalty for.....








Bourdais!

Well there's a surprised. Hamilton -> Massa gap now down to 5 points.

link?

 

[NicktheNorse]

No, I mean I would love to see FA beating a Ferrari in a Renault rather than dominating in a Ferrari. I was up at 5.30 <3

Ah ok. Indeed, silly-o'clock-ivitis

 

[this_is_gav]

If the Bourdais penalty is true, then it's ludicrous. Utterly ludicrous.

I love JA's comment when LH pits on lap 2.
"Hamiltons coming in... either a puncture ... or a tactical move..."

2 laps in... tactical move James?

Haha

It would have been an excellent move had there been a safety car (and there was a small chance as the yellows were still out for DCs accident the previous lap). He was last. Taking a punt wouldn't have been a bad idea.

 

[Flibster]

link?

Should be on the sites soon - source at the track.

 

[NathanE]

I can't believe this.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71351

 

[Sparky]

Should be on the sites soon - source at the track.

Hope your source isn't JA

 

[Sparky]

Oh the comedy.

 

[JRS]

Hopefully JRS puts him in his place as usual.

Would there be any point in me doing that? Wouldn't change anything, and he barely even reads what I post anyway.

Yes, I know I'll catch hell of certain folks for posting in a Formula 1 thread again. Just can't leave well alone, can I? I was weighing up not getting up for the live broadcast, but decided to anyway. Mostly glad I did.

Not got much to say about the race, mind. Hamilton had a shocker (even worse than Bahrain, he's lucky he only lost a point to Massa this time rather than ten), Massa only slightly better (though I did like that move on Webber when he nearly tagged the pit wall, that took some guts to pull off). Kimi was pretty anonymous despite having a decent turn of speed at times, so any plans Ferrari have for 1-2'ing the final two races might need some work. Congrats to His Almighty Petulance™ for a second win in a row, he probably deserves this one a lot more than Singapore.

And yes, just to bait sunama for a second - Ferrari International Assistance striking again, with a penalty for Massa. Oh, wait....

I'm sure if the FIA were really out to help Ferrari at all costs, they could have made a pretty strong case for Hamilton having caused that incident at Turn 10 After all - his tyres were already buggered (you could certainly see the front right tyre was shot to **** from the onboard of Hamilton's car when he clashed with Massa), he didn't need to go charging past Massa given that he had to stop anyway, and did he honestly leave that much room for Massa to recover himself after sticking that move up the inside of him? I think he did, but I'd be willing to bet the stewards could have really sorted him out there if they were actually trying to sabotage his title chances.


***edit***

I can't believe this.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71351

Hmm. Not sure it was quite 25-sec penalty material, but maybe they've got a better angle to look at it from. Maybe.

 

[Sparky]

See above

 

[NicktheNorse]

Hmmm I like the fact that Massa has gained a point by the Bourdais penalty but I thought Bourdais did nothing wrong at Turn 1. He had the line, fair and square.

 

[Sparky]

Hmmm I like the fact that Massa has gained a point by the Bourdais penalty but I thought Bourdais did nothing wrong at Turn 1. He had the line, fair and square.

No it was a clear violation, exiting the pit lane on the only line you can take infront of a red car.

To think Max reckons the credit crunch and spiralling costs of F1 will end racing. I'm afraid the FIA and stewards will do this regardless.

 

[knip]

Oh FFS!
Ive just woken up again to the news about Bourdais.
Are they trying to hand the title to Ferrari or what?

I hope Lewis goes out and sticks it to them the next two races because this is frankly becoming a joke now. And thats not a "I want Lewis to win the championship at all costs" its a "im sick of this Ferrari bias"

 

[NathanE]

Bourdais was in front, had the line and didn't even touch Massa. Massa spun on the corner all on his own accord.

 

[NicktheNorse]

No it was a clear violation, exiting the pit lane on the only line you can take infront of a red car.

Ah yes, you are absolutely right, sorry, my bad.

 

[Sparky]

Ah yes, you are absolutely right, sorry, my bad.

 

[TheStig1]

Thats a really poor decision, was a nothing incident that was all down to Massa. I would hope Ferrari appeal against that we don't want a title this way.

 

[NathanE]

Thats a really poor decision, was a nothing incident that was all down to Massa. I would hope Ferrari appeal against that we don't want a title this way.

 

[JRS]

Oh FFS!
Ive just woken up again to the news about Bourdais.
Are they trying to hand the title to Ferrari or what?

Hamilton seemed to be trying to do that all by himself today....

I hope Lewis goes out and sticks it to them the next two races because this is frankly becoming a joke now.

I certainly hope he doesn't make a repeat performance of 2007, though him being a year older and wiser and with McLaren hopefully having remembered just how long they've been in this game that shouldn't happen.