2008 Japanese GP - Race 16/18

JRS said:
NightSt@lk3r (and everyone else, come to think of it) - could you answer this post I made please? It'd save me a lot of unnecessary effort if I knew just what the hell would work with you all?
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I wasn't being sarcastic when i said it, really i couldn't care less what you or anyone else think about him or any driver, i personally am not a Hamilton fan so you all can stop the Hamilton fanboy crap aswell.
 
I really wonder if LH would have got that penalty IF he hadn't of locked his brakes up.

Forcing another car off track in F1 or just about any motorsport is not really new. KR did it to LH in Spa at the chicane. FA did it to LH in Spa last year as well. Those are just two that spring to mind.
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
I wasn't being sarcastic when i said it, really i couldn't care less what you or anyone else think about him or any driver
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So why post:

NightSt@lk3r said:
You really love Hamilton don't you.
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that then?

NightSt@lk3r said:
i personally am not a Hamilton fan so you all can stop the Hamilton fanboy crap aswell.
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What "Hamilton fanboy crap"?

NathanE said:
I really wonder if LH would have got that penalty IF he hadn't of locked his brakes up.
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You might have a point there. Hamilton was pretty much out of control when he got to Turn 1, that much we know because he destroyed at least one tyre trying to get slowed down. The other times we've seen drivers barge or force others off the track, they've not been that far out of control when they did it so it could be put down to just an accident or not seeing them.

Hamilton didn't need to go charging into Turn 1 like that. He nearly wiped out his own team mate, and did enough damage to his own car to seriously compromise his race.
 
JRS said:
So why post:
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Same reason your posting, its a discussion thread.

JRS said:
that then?
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The post you quoted never mentioned or was even related to Hamilton yet you still managed to bring his name up as a reply, so your obviously in love.

JRS said:
What "Hamilton fanboy crap"?
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this_is_gav said:
Are Hamilton fanboys blind or something? He clearly said he hopes Lewis doesn't fall apart and repeat 2007, yet you go and pick the only negative part of his post.
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In reply to my post.
 
Oh dear, looks like this is turning into 2007 all over again.

Hamilton doesnt need to win the race, but he still takes rash decisions and ruins his race in one turn pratically.

:(
 
jaykay said:
Oh dear, looks like this is turning into 2007 all over again.

Hamilton doesnt need to win the race, but he still takes rash decisions and ruins his race in one turn pratically.

:(
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Maybe he wasn't sure whether it was Kimi or Massa that had got passed him. It can be quite confusing I'd imagine.

But yeah... if only he had just sat tight. Got his bearings and then survived to fight either later on in the race or for another day!

I want him to be better than he is, currently :(

Still, at least this didn't happen at Brazil. Or even China. He is still in the lead. And now he can really beat himself up and focus himself for the next races. And I think he will. I think this will serve up a pretty big warning for him.

I knew all the stuff pre-Fuji about him "learnt a new skill in Singapore to restrain myself" was a load of balony. Didn't believe that crap for a second. They have to say something to the cameras though. And that's what media were asking all the questions on. LH is pretty cool headed once settled into the race. It's the first lap or two where he gets carried away sometimes.
 
NightSt@lk3r said:
Same reason your posting, its a discussion thread.
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And yet you're getting very worked up over what I'm posting....

NightSt@lk3r said:
The post you quoted never mentioned or was even related to Hamilton yet you still managed to bring his name up as a reply, so your obviously in love.
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Right....knip said that the FIA were trying to hand the title to Massa and Ferrari by penalising Bourdais. This would favour Massa over....*drumroll*....Lewis Hamilton, who happens to be leading the championship right now. I then said that the current leader of the championship, who we've established is the aformentioned Hamilton, seemed to be doing a pretty decent job of handing over the title to Massa and Ferrari without the help of the FIA.

And this suddenly nets me a snarky post from you about how I must love Hamilton.

Did I miss something?

NightSt@lk3r said:
In reply to my post.
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Ah. Got to hold my hand up there - that post hadn't quite registered.
 
Q: (Livio Oricchio – O Estado de Sao Paulo) To all drivers: the stewards decided to give Lewis Hamilton a drive-through penalty for what happened at the start. Do you consider that was fair?

FA: I agree.
KR: I don’t know. I didn’t see the whole thing. I only saw him when he came up next to me. I’m not sure if he hit me or not but they make their decisions, so I have nothing against it.
RK: I don’t know what happened in the first corner, so it’s difficult to judge.
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alonso is just great :D
 
knip said:
So will you at least admit that it smells a teeny bit iffy JRS?
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Oddly enough, knip, I could have sworn that I already did.

JRS said:
Hmm. Not sure it was quite 25-sec penalty material
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JRS said:
It'll be inconsistency that kills this sport, not the credit crunch....
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But hey, I'll go ahead and say again that I don't think it was deserving of a penalty for you if you like....just give the word.
 
JRS said:
Oddly enough, knip, I could have sworn that I already did.


But hey, I'll go ahead and say again that I don't think it was deserving of a penalty for you if you like....just give the word.
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Apologies am half asleep.
Sorry
:)
 
knip said:
Apologies am half asleep.
Sorry
:)
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Hell, I've even said before that I could quite easily believe that there is an anti-McLaren vibe at the FIA and with the stewards. I just happen to think that this would still be present even if Ferrari weren't the nearest challenger to them. This is apparently a minority view.

NathanE said:
Look at this replay of Massa hitting Hamilton. There is an escape road clearly visible that Massa, in all his infinite wisdom, decided not to take!
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Um....by the time Massa and Hamilton made contact, the escape road really wasn't an option. And Massa might have thought that rather than risk ending his race right there and then Hamilton might have left a bit more room on the apex. Especially since Hamilton had to know that at least one of his tyres was pretty terminal at that point.

He gambled, he got a penalty and he lost out on the chance to do serious damage to the lead Hamilton had in the championship. Hamilton should be glad Massa only got 2 points back.
 
The scenario of Hamilton losing the World Championship by the 4 points he lost in Spa seems to be drawing ever closer. It's going to be so frustrating if it actually happens.
 
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