2009 Ashes Series - England vs. Australia **Spoilers**

JohnnyG said:
Sometimes a draw is a good result, isn't it?
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7542853&postcount=62
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Oooh you big bad person you:rolleyes::D


Ahhh well if my constant **** taking of england cricket team annoys you then great:D...what makes me laugh about your celebration of your draw is the fact that you should have won this game on paper but it shows that England havent got the grit and determination to do so.

G|mp said:
Oh dear, Spawn and his hatred for England again

I sometimes wonder why he came to this green and pleasant land.
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I dont hate england:rolleyes:..i just dislike the england cricket team thats all;)...theres a big difference there...so kindly stop putting words into my mouth:).
 
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Strange saying you cant believe England celebrating a draw, as during the 2005 ashes series I remember clearly that Australia came out running on the field like they won the game when they drew the game.
 
Spawn said:
Of course it does fella or else you wouldnt be sat there nit picking at my posts and doing searches in your vain attempt to trip me up;):p

Anyways ill give England some credit...well done on getting a draw:D..perhaps next week you will actually go out there and try to win the match;)
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Nope it really doesn't, I enjoy making you look silly:p
 
Bear said:
Strange saying you cant believe England celebrating a draw, as during the 2005 ashes series I remember clearly that Australia came out running on the field like they won the game when they drew the game.
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Yep. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/england/4152448.stm

Australia secure nail-biting draw


Australia's last-wicket pair secured a draw in a desperately tense finish to the third Test at Old Trafford to keep the Ashes series level at 1-1.

Captain Ricky Ponting batted for six hours for 156 but was dismissed with 24 balls to go, leaving Brett Lee and Glenn McGrath to see Australia to safety.

Man of the match Ponting put on 81 with Michael Clarke (39) and 76 with number nine batsman Shane Warne (34).

Andrew Flintoff took 4-71 but could not claim the vital last wicket.

It was the first time in 10 years that Australia have been forced to bat out a draw against their Ashes rivals.

And the tension was at its height as a crowd of 21,000 roared Flintoff on as he came in to bowl the penultimate over to Lee with seven fielders in the slip cordon.

Lee saw that out and punched the ground in triumph as he pushed a full toss from Harmison to the fine leg boundary to save the match.
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Punching the ground in triumph at securing a draw sounds like the draw meant something to him and to Australia and rightly so, of course it did.
 
JAzz said:
A great result for England but can't say things look too well for them as far as this series goes. Aussies still have Lee to come back and even Clarke could come in for them, both bowlers have done well against England and will thrive in these conditions.

England really need to review the bowling options, surely they must have better bowlers?
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i will admit englands bowling wasn't great, but surely people should be looking at the batsmen first. How many of the players got out through there own mistakes? e.g. pieterson first innings. England could have and should have posted a better first innings total akin to australia and we wouldn't be in this situation.
My personal opinion is bell should come in for bopara, i just dont see bopara as a no 3 test batsmen and bell has got runs when hes played for england. I would also like to see harmison in for panesar, i think a 4 seamer attack suits enngland better.
 
The whole point wasn't that we're celebrating the fact that we drew the game, it's the fact that Australia didn't win it, which considering the way we batted, I'd call that a good result.

And yes, I think most of the blame for this game was down to our batting. The Australian bowling attack, bar Hilfenhaus and the odd spell of hostility from Johnston/Siddle was pretty average. The ball wasn't swinging, the turn was slow and nearly every single one of our batsman got out. I don't think I'll even bother getting the calculator out but if you look at the runs scored from 6-11 compared to 1-5 it doesn't look good.

Bowling wise, I think Harmison should be given the chance at Lords at the expense of Monty. Swann was excellent over the winter and I'd back him to come back stronger in the next test. I would think about bringing Onions/Sidebottom in for broad as well but that might mean too many changes right now. As for the batting - I can't see any obvious candidates to drop because it's not like we've got a form batsman to come in. Bopara was dissapointing though - he's really starting to look like another Ian Bell, scores stacks of runs when it's easy pickings but looking out of sorts in high pressure situations. If he doesn't score runs in the next test they should look at bringing someone else in, or at least do so before the winter.

It was also a good change to actually be on the other end of one of these results. How many times in the last 5 years have we failed to bowl a side out on the last day, handing them a draw in the process preventing us from drawing/winning a series? SA 2004, Australia 2005, WI 2009...

Edit: I expect Lords will be a draw too, but should get results at Edgbaston and Headingly. I could see this ending up 1-1. We really missed a trick not playing at Old Trafford, out of all the grounds in the country I'd have thought our best chance was there.
 
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Evangelion said:
No it doesn't get you any closer to gaining the Ashes. Even if you draw repeatedly for the next four games, Australia still retains the Ashes. England needs to win games to take the Ashes. She can't win them by drawing.
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Yes, yes she can win them by drawing. The last time the Ashes were played in England, we drew a couple of games, and we won the Ashes. Had we lost those games instead of drawing them, we would have lost the series. It's a 5 match series, not a 1 match series.

Anyway, onto the game. I cringed a bit when they sent out a guy with drinks for the 2nd time plus physio, seemed a bit of a timewasting tactic to me.

Also it looks like my earlier comment in the thread rang true to some extent, not only did the Aussie attack let us score over 400 in the first innings, they also failed to bowl us out in the second innings (that's not intended as a slight on the 'battling' Englishmen btw). Hauritz to be fair to the guy looked useful, but the rest were pretty ordinary by recent Aussie standards. Johnson reminded me of Anderson from yesteryear, needs to sort his radar out.

Obviously there's still a lot to do and taking 20 Aussie wickets will take some doing but it's the first time in a long time where I've not gone into a series against them worried about getting skittled for under 200.
 
Gooner14 said:
Shall we just talk about how Pakistan got knocked over for just 90 against Sri Lanka then...
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LOL yeh well i didnt expect much from them you see and ive always said that about Pak and their cricket team...but at least we won the 20/20 WC though which was a big shock as i didnt see that coming:p...thats the point with pak you dont know which team is going to turn up so most pak fans including me write them off...

I dont over hype them and and expect them to win...ive said it the big 20./20 WC thread that i couldnt see us getting to the 2nd round but we managed that and then still couldnt see them get to the final...which they did by some miracle.

I know what to expect from Pak...usually failure but at least they make it interesting to say the least:p
 
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JohnnyG said:
Bye Spawn, see you Thursday for more hypocritical Anti-English (cricket) fun ;)
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hypocritical??..where have i been hypocritical exactly??...ive made it clear even when England last won the Ashes back in 2005 that i wasnt about to support them:confused:...mind you its hilarious watching the Sky coverage and they keep playing the flashbacks to 2005 when you guys won the Ashes.

Yes i do look forward to next week...hopefully the Aussies will finish the job off next week rather than come up short as they did this time round.
 
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